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Hey, Athletes! Want to learn more on concurrent training? Tune into this week’s episode to find out more! 

Episode 50 of The Garage Gym Athlete Podcast is up!

More on Concurrent Training & Current Events

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In this week’s episode, the four-ship are back again. They go over their updates and announcements before diving into this week’s study. This study compares concurrent training, strength, and endurance on different metrics. Who do you think came out well rounded? 

For this week’s topic, the coaches talk about current events. More specifically, CrossFit, and debate on what is to come for those in the community.  Lastly, this week’s Meet Yourself Saturday workout is called Thousand. 

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IN THIS 58-MINUTE EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

  • CrossFit-What’s Next?
  • Current Events 
  • Joe’s New Training Equipment
  • Tips and Tricks for MYS 
  • Concurrent Training 
  • THOUSAND 
  • Updates and Announcements
  • And A LOT MORE!!

Diving Deeper… 

If you want to go a little bit deeper on this episode, here are some links for you: 

Study of the Week 

Garage Gym Athlete Workout of the Week 

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To becoming better!

Jerred

Transcript: 

More on Concurrent Training & Current Events

[00:00:00] Jerred Moon: All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the garage gym athlete podcast. Jared moon here with Joe Courtney. What’s up Joe coming live 

Joe Courtney: from a, an airplane cockpit. 

Jerred Moon: I don’t get it. You are your headset. There we go. What? We’re going to bring it up.

Here we go. Ashley Hicks. How you doing? I’m doing good. And we have Kyle Trump. 

Kyle Shrum: Hey, 

Jerred Moon: this awesome start. We’ve had a lot of awesome starts lately where we’re all 

Ashley Hicks: going to do my best pilot voice. Like, you know, Come in 

Jerred Moon: from 

Ashley Hicks: 5,000 feet or wherever, just cause you have a pilot 

Jerred Moon: head up. Is that what Scott taught you 

Joe Courtney: think?

I think the podcast is getting its speed. Wobbles 

Jerred Moon: were 

Joe Courtney: got up to speed and now we’re just starting to wobble a little 

Jerred Moon: bit. Things are gonna rebound really fast. Cause we have a lot of great information to include updates from Joe. So let’s start first. 

Joe Courtney: So you [00:01:00] have the best, best updates. first I guys, you know, I still haven’t gotten a haircut and a, my beard is still unkempt and untrimmed.

I finally got a comb. 

Kyle Shrum: Big steps. 

Jerred Moon: How much does that count? 

Joe Courtney: I can’t even say I invested in a column because somebody actually came and brought it 

Jerred Moon: to me. And that’s how you want people to start bringing you personal grooming things. It’s getting pretty bad. Yeah. Have you ever been gifted deodorant?

That’s a sign. 

Joe Courtney: Yeah. So that happened, but I’m grateful. So now I don’t have to wear a hat all the time, but still, probably should. That’s that’s the first, next I finally have a pull up bar in the house. It’s actually pretty significant. The last two weeks we’ve been building by we, I mean, 70% of my brother and I just come outside and tell him what he’s doing wrong.

we’ve been doing building a pergola and my brothers and we installed a pull up bar, which is. Actually, that was a huge pain in the butt to get the pull bar in, but it’s great. It’s nice and fat and it’s sturdy. it’s just at like tiptoe reach [00:02:00] Heights. So it’s like kind of like perfect to just grab, not to keep crazily, but still works out well.

So just that just happened two days ago. 

Jerred Moon: So that was awesome. That’s huge. Yeah. What did you build the pull up bar out of. 

Joe Courtney: The it’s it’s attached to a pergola. So we built the pergola 

Jerred Moon: and then we just installed a 

Joe Courtney: pole. Yeah. So the whole part of those was built. And then at the very end of one, end of the park list of pergola, whatever.

Signify. we just got a eight foot long 

Jerred Moon: thing. It’s bar. 

Joe Courtney: Yeah, 

Jerred Moon: that one, 

Joe Courtney: we actually got an eight foot long pole and put the pole at the end of the pergola, but because it was already built, we had to completely drill a hole on one end, slide the entire pole through and then drill a hole on the other end and insert it.

But sliding it through was a huge pain. We had to keep sanding down. It took like an hour just to slide the pole through, but it’s so wedged in there that it’s not going anywhere. It doesn’t spin. It was like a happy accident, but it was just a pain. 

Jerred Moon: Yeah. 

Kyle Shrum: I don’t know that I’ve heard the word [00:03:00] pergola that many times in one story 

Joe Courtney: or part ally.

Jerred Moon: I 

Kyle Shrum: don’t think I’ve ever heard that word. 

Jerred Moon: That’s the plural. 

Joe Courtney: Yes. And for my last one is I decided to run a 10 K last weekend for no particular reason. 

Jerred Moon: Oh yeah. Competitive 

Joe Courtney: did Tim by itself. There’s no actual competitive races going on that are, they’re all digital, but I saw on hard to kill. They had two 30 minute run intervals and people found that to be pretty brutal.

So I was seeing how far people were going and I was like, okay, six miles sounds like a pretty good run. And then I realized, well, six miles is basically a 10 K, so might as well just make it a 10 K to make it official. And I saw somebody, Did their six 60 half miles at like a nine minute pace. I was like, okay.

I think that would be a solid pace. So that was like my goal, the entire, the entire way to keep that as my pace. And I just want to say how awesome I am at pacing. Once again, you guys wonder how awesome I am. 

Jerred Moon: Let’s hear it. 

Joe Courtney: so well, garment has a thing where if you do like a distance, you can go to a [00:04:00] screen and it gives you like estimated end time estimated pace time.

But I didn’t look at that the entire time I was just looking at. Regular current pace. And, it was pretty brutal the entire way and deep blast mile, mile and a half. It was definitely a meet yourself moment moments and it sucked, but I finished at eight 59 pace. 

Jerred Moon: Perfect. Well, almost your clothes. Well, I thought you were going to seal it.

You didn’t do it like. You were off. I 

Joe Courtney: didn’t say I was going to do exactly nine, but that was like the max nine 

Jerred Moon: or below. 

Joe Courtney: So yeah, it felt terrible, 

Jerred Moon: but it’s sustainable. 

Joe Courtney: Yeah. And my patient throughout was pretty good. It was like a, each mile. It was like, just like a triangle. My first one was fast as my middle ones were the slowest in my last one.

Was that faster. 

Kyle Shrum: Well done, Joe. 

Joe Courtney: Yeah. So 10 K for no reason. But like I said, it was my fifth training session and I didn’t feel any more in shape. So I’m just going back to four. 

[00:05:00] Jerred Moon: Just kidding. Keep with the four mandatory don’t need to train more. It’s 

Joe Courtney: not an extra run day. Anyway, I’ll take up those best 

Jerred Moon: time.

Alright. That was, that was substantial. There’s a lot of good updates. The comb was my favorite chapstick and comb. A lot of things centering around the upper, above the neck region, your updates, which is pretty awesome that you got, 

Kyle Shrum: I don’t really have anything after that. I was just going to say that I’m going on vacation next week, which I guess when this publishes, I will currently be on my way to vacation.

So. Anyway, everyone, while you’re listening, just know I’m on my way to vacation 

Jerred Moon: and you probably won’t hear him in a future podcast for that reason. 

Kyle Shrum: True. 

Jerred Moon: That’s why you really wanted everybody to know. Right. 

Kyle Shrum: So when you don’t hear me on the next podcast, just remember it it’s because I was on vacation.

Jerred Moon: It’s good. Whenever someone’s missing, we get to talk about them. So, 

Kyle Shrum: exactly, exactly. [00:06:00] I haven’t had one in a while, so it’s been a couple of years actually, since we’ve gone on a family vacation and this will be Hensley’s. First one, definitely our first time to the beach. So it’s going to be a 

Jerred Moon: fun time. We call them trips because vacation is like something different.

When you bring your kids, I just call it a trip. There you go. 

Joe Courtney: It’s watching my kids in a different location. 

Kyle Shrum: Well, in-laws are coming. So that’s going to be 

Joe Courtney: helpful. So many books. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah, you can do a lot of reading at the beach. No, I’m just kidding. Anyway, so there you go. That’s my update. Great. I did not run a 10 K for fun over the, over the weekend, so 

Joe Courtney: never did one.

So now I have

Jerred Moon: Ashley you’re up? 

Ashley Hicks: Hi, mom’s in town. So we just got back from the beach today. We’re at the beach this morning, the voice we’re giving me. Junk for it, but that’s [00:07:00] okay. yeah, there’s something crazy. There may be new equipment coming into Casa de Hicks, garage, gym day Hicks. I don’t know. We’ll see. it’s kind of, it’s more to come.

Don’t come. 

Jerred Moon: Don’t keep it a secret. 

Joe Courtney: We’ll find out when she gets done recording. Anyway, 

Kyle Shrum: it’s going to be outside once we hang up. 

Ashley Hicks: So there may be some gym equipment that’s about to be available, which might be like here. We don’t need this anymore. So, we’re thinking of. 

Kyle Shrum: Taking 

Ashley Hicks: some like a box and some dumbbells.

Cause I still don’t have a box. I jump on my bench. Then I put plates on there. It’s really not the safest I don’t ever recommend it to for people, but that’s how I box jumped. That’s great. I know we can build one. I’ve been asking Scott to build me one for forever. I should just do it myself, but now I’m going to get one for free.

So it’s going to be great. 

Jerred Moon: You could build one. I know where you can find some instructions. 

[00:08:00] Ashley Hicks: I have the book with the instructions.

but yeah, so that’s pretty much it. And then, we were supposed to go on a vacation at the end of this month and that got turned off because of, Florida has a band still on it. Like you can’t leave Florida, or at least the military members cannot leave without like, they have to stay within the 30 mile radius.

So. No vacation for us, but it’s cool. Cause everybody’s been coming to us. So it’s been kind of fun, like having people. So, we’ll see. I can potentially go meet the trumps, but unfortunately Scott will not be able to become so

Jerred Moon: awesome. Well, I just got back from a, well, I guess it was vacation. My kids didn’t go. We drove all the way to North Carolina. That’s where we go. That’s just where we go typically. And. It was really strange. I’m not going to lie. We stayed at a couple of hotels on the way. Well, on the way there we stayed in one, when we split the trip into two days for the drive and then a [00:09:00] hotel when we got there, but it was kind of like the shining, you know, like walking around and like an empty hotel because a lot of people were not okay with traveling.

Like the travel bands had just been lifted for the specific hotel we stayed at in Asheville. And. It was like, we stayed there the first day that they opened back up and they were like, I don’t know, they were all out of sorts. They didn’t have like things going as normal, but there just weren’t a lot of people, either like more people started to show up, but by the time we left, but it was just really weird.

Like we went to like one of the restaurants and we’re like the only people there. So it was cool. It was nice to get out. We did not a 10 K, but we did a 10 mile. Hike, which was good thing. There was like 3000 feet of elevation gain. Yeah, it was a, it was good. And that was 100% Emily’s choice. Cause I was like, let’s do like an easy, you know, five, three to five mile hike.

And then she, she found one. She was like, how [00:10:00] about this 10 mile one? And I was like, fine. Yeah, you want to do the 10 mile hike? That’s great. Like, let’s do it. But, she crushed it and, and we, we had fun. So it was a good time. Other updates. The book is on audible. Kevin comfort is finally on audible enough.

The feud is over. So if you want to go check out the killing comfort book on audible, just go to Amazon or audible and you can grab it. And then lastly, 

Kyle Shrum: was it? 

Jerred Moon: Oh yeah, I got rid of a piece of garage gym equipment. So the opposite of what you’re talking about, I’ll let you guys guess what did I get rid of?

Ashley Hicks: Reverse hyper? 

Jerred Moon: No, I would never 

Ashley Hicks: just 

Joe Courtney: blasphemous. 

Jerred Moon: All right. That was your guests. Kyle gets a guest. 

Kyle Shrum: Oh man. I don’t know. I don’t know what you got rid of. 

Jerred Moon: You’re like, I don’t even know what you have in your garage. 

Kyle Shrum: No, I don’t. 

Jerred Moon: I guess 

Kyle Shrum: I thought reverse hyper too. And then I thought, no, that’s dumb. Nobody will say that.

but I was wrong. 

Ashley Hicks: Just call me dumb. [00:11:00] 

Kyle Shrum: I don’t know. Okay. I have no idea, 

Jerred Moon: Greg. Yes, Joe, 

Joe Courtney: a box, 

Jerred Moon: a box notebook. 

Joe Courtney: What’d you say? 

Jerred Moon: Nope. I got rid of my Airdyne. 

Joe Courtney: that was my next guest because you’re going to get a echo. 

Jerred Moon: I am going to get an echo, but not right away, probably down the road. I don’t need it right now.

I’m not using my air bike a ton since I have the concept to bike ERG, but I donated my Airdyne. I didn’t even sell it. I donated it to some friends who. Are getting into the garage gym scene. And so, he hurt his knee. My buddy, he hurt his knee and he like, couldn’t run anymore. It’s not like a, it’s not a super bad injury.

He just can’t run. And, I was like, you’re gonna have my back man. And so he, he has an Airdyne and he’s crushing it now. So just trying to spread the, the garage, the mathlete revolution, one piece of equipment at a time, unfortunately, I don’t have that much to give away. So he might be the [00:12:00] only person I could actually help, like giving equipment.

Hey, 

Kyle Shrum: that’s one person. 

Jerred Moon: Yeah, 

Kyle Shrum: that’s what I did with my old wooden rack. I just put up on Facebook and was like, Hey. Can we get it? I haven’t disassembled it for him. I took it apart for him. 

Jerred Moon: That’s you 

Joe Courtney: at least ask for Chipola

Ashley Hicks: is there Chipola in Chattanooga? 

Kyle Shrum: We recently got one 

Joe Courtney: big day. Where was that? 

Jerred Moon: Why did that not happen in the podcast? 

Kyle Shrum: I don’t know. not, I’m not really a Chipotle person, so I don’t really care. 

Ashley Hicks: That’s blast for me. 

Jerred Moon: It switches for me, like Tuesday I could be at Chipotle laid person and then Wednesday, I could not be 

Joe Courtney: more selections down in Texas.

So that’s kind of cheating. True. 

Jerred Moon: I guess we can get into science probably should. Yeah. Well, we spent a long time on the updates, cause I don’t think we have a ton to say about the study, even though we wanted to talk our, I wanted to [00:13:00] talk about the study just because it has two words in it that are my favorite.

Concurrent training. so it’s about concurrent training. The actual study is called differences in the lower limb strength, Instructure after 12 weeks of resistance, endurance and concurrent training. And all right, they had 32 dudes. Yup. Dudes go through this study. They each, there were three different groups, as it suggested in the title.

They went through a 12 week program. One did resistance training, only one did concurrent training. And the lasted endurance training only. And then they had some results. pretty awesome. I think the programming they had was pretty good. They started all the way down at 65% or one or maximum and ended with 97.5% of one or max in the 12th week, which I think is a very long progression of a training, but also really good.

And I mean, there’s some nutrition stuff. I don’t know if you guys want to hit on it. any, anything from how the study was [00:14:00] done that you guys think we should hit on 

Joe Courtney: part five concurrent people’s training? I feel bad for them. Honestly, they did both programs. So you had a strength program protocol, you had an endurance program protocol and they were just like, Hey, concurrent, do both.

Jerred Moon: Yeah, I thought that was interesting. They were like, Concurrent training. Just did what the endurance people did, you know, where they just did what the strength person people did, but did they train more days? 

Joe Courtney: Yeah, so they did, they had the three days and three endurance days for concurrent and the other ones that I just had the regular three days.

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. The concurrent training had six days of training. they were there Monday, Wednesday, Friday of resistance training and Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday of endurance training. So they trained. Twice as many days a week as the other two 

Jerred Moon: insane. And I think the protein is probably worth mentioning. They had to maintain a protein intake of [00:15:00] at least two grams per kilogram per day.

which I think is important just for training. I think we should all be monitoring our protein intake. and that’s something I think I want to cover. Maybe the next couple of weeks. There’ve been a lot of studies coming out recently. recently as in last couple of months in 2020, and then somewhere in 2019, talking about.

Protein distribution and why it matters. And, you know, we’ve kind of hit on those things before, but new science has always fun to cover. so the, you know, drum roll, what happened? if you look at the charts, so figure two for everybody. if you guys have it pulled up, just glancing at it. I mean, Would you want to be at, with no bias?

Do you think you’d want to be a concurrent training athlete or resistance training athlete or an endurance athlete in all honesty? Just looking at it concurrent. Yeah. Kyle. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. I would say concurrent 

Joe Courtney: as well. If I wasn’t doing twice as much work then. Yeah. 

Jerred Moon: The practical application. Thanks, Joe. [00:16:00] Yeah. So it’s very interesting.

And maybe we can add this chart to the, the show notes, but they. I mean, they almost identical cause they have a, they have like a, it’s a bar bar chart and it’s a pre week six and then post. So at the beginning, before the program, middle, and then at the end of the program or after it’s over and they, to be honest, they look almost identical.

concurrent training seems to beat them out. Like week six, I think. Well, only on the, leg press and then, but it’s just marginal, I guess is the main point I’m trying to think. Get across here is that concurrent training and resistance training, the results were overall marginal from strength. And then.

The VO two max stuff is funny. The strength athletes lost VO two max. but technically so did the concurrent training people, from not from baseline, but from week six down to the end. And I think that they, [00:17:00] I think the participants just got tired of training six days a week, like Joe saying, which is something I think you need to factor in, what overall, one of the things that they’re trying to point out, the whole lower limb portion of this.

Which I wasn’t trying to avoid us talking about, I just wanted to bring up, and this is pre podcast conversation. They’re talking about how, all the, all the training was done on a bike for the concurrent training. And they did a longer intervals, all the endurance stuff. Sorry. They did all the endurance stuff on a bike.

So an ERG and they, did interval training and, Like longer duration stuff, and then they kind of assessed it and they’re like, Oh, you could potentially have hamstring problems if, and that’s the actual conclusion from the study, the actual conclusion, like you could have hamstring issues if you’re doing concurrent training.

And I think this is weird because if you look at all the concurrent training literature, it seems like a, the bike always comes out best. And we’ve talked about this in the [00:18:00] concurrent training before is like the bike comes out best. And so I, sometimes I feel like scientists are like, How can we take a, you know, opposing view to the consent consensus?

And I kind of feel like that’s what they did. They’re like, okay, all concurrent training literature says, use a bike, but in this case, we’re going to just say it hurts your hamstrings. And my biggest point was the only thing I really wanted to say was, we don’t know if they’re clipped in. Like that was not discussed.

And I’ve been on these scientific ERGs before, and there are no clips. There’s not even like a strap. It’s just like straight, normal bike pedaling. And, that’s a big difference. So Joe has experience with shortened hamstrings due to not being clipped in. So, I mean, I think that’s a great opportunity for you to, to talk about how your hamstrings have given up, but, I think it’s important to note.

What else did you guys pick, pull anything else from this study? 

Joe Courtney: I got a lot of little things, I think, just to go back with the concurrent things and how like, or with the, the [00:19:00] VO two max, how after week six, they degrade that they decrease in that and some other things. And, one of the studies takeaways that like, Hey, concurrent training is good for about six to eight weeks, but then you’re going to burn out like, well, if you train somebody six days a week on two different programs, you’re going to burn out anybody.

It doesn’t matter what you’re doing. So. Taking a more long distance or longterm approach to it to actually like have de-load weeks or only, or actually met mashed together both programs to be one program and not two programs, is, is one thing that I wanted to note. And it’s almost like a hidden note in this study that de-load weeks are important, especially when you’re, doing concurrent training so that you can get some proper rest and such.

Jerred Moon: I think that’s a great point, de-load weeks. And then. I also, I have a video. I think that the actual title of the video is strengthened CrossFit. Cause I was just trying to get the attention of CrossFitters who just like to jam a strength program at the beginning of their, CrossFit training and call it good and how that doesn’t work out for [00:20:00] longterm.

But, the example I give there is pickles and ice cream. It’s like it doesn’t, it’s not a good combination guys. Like it, it’s not okay. And that’s how this is, you know, you can’t just. Do what they did. You can just jam two programs together and be like, this will be fine. Cause you’re a robot. Like, no, one’s a robot.

You can’t make it through a program like that. So I think that’s a good point. 

Ashley Hicks: I think too, though, with, if you look at it, that’s another point that I was going to talk about. Like, even though they talked about week six going off, but if you look at the max aerobic power too, like they overall with the resistance training, they kind 

Jerred Moon: of.

You know, 

Ashley Hicks: besides the endurance, just endurance training, people who would obviously do better in the endurance part, they still pretty much kept up with it. And obviously the resistance training people did not. But then flip that on a Ted and the concurrent training also kept up with the resistance training too.

So that for me was like a huge win overall for [00:21:00] in concurrent training. In my personal opinion because, you know, they are able to be the best at both, even though you’re right. There are cramming two programs and at the same time, but, that was going to be my takeaway on this. It had nothing to do with, you know, potential hamstring 

Jerred Moon: stuff.

And I think, I mean, I think the programming’s fine for one 12 week, like bell. I just think if you wanted to go beyond that few days, you’re like, let’s just do the program again. You know, you’re going to probably have regression in your results like they did towards just their VO. Two max went down a little bit from week six because they’re just getting, they’re exhausted.

You know, it’s hard for them to keep, keep pushing it, but also VO two max is not something that, yeah, that’s not infinite increase. You know, you can, you can really only get so high on VO two max, unless you want to become a purely aerobic endurance athlete. And even then it’s going to fluctuate up and down like.

VO two, max is very hard to [00:22:00] change, very hard to change. So I don’t think it’s a, I mean, it’s something that you should measure if you’re going to start doing a scientific study, but I don’t think it’s something that you should always be chasing like a, like a strength goal 

Ashley Hicks: of the thing. I also talked to a dietician, but besides the protein intake, do they talk specifically like anything post pre I did not see any of that.

Joe Courtney: Journals, I think died journals. I didn’t, I didn’t see any specifics of if they gave them guidance or told them what they eat. 

Ashley Hicks: Yeah. That’s, that’s another thing that I was, I was impressed that, you know, they actually talked to an actual dietician, I guess they said what every evening or something like that, that they were supposed to chat with them.

And I guess just talk about my, besides their protein intake, I’m assuming what they ate, throughout the day, as well as probably posted pre-workout 

Joe Courtney: kind of stuff. And hopefully if people do correct, hopefully they were actually like, They’re probably eating more if they’re training twice as much.

That’s another thing that I don’t know if it was [00:23:00] factored in, but worth note, 

Jerred Moon: worth note, Kyle, you got anything? 

Kyle Shrum: So that was something that I noticed as well, was that with the current concurrent training, their strength numbers. We’re on par with the resistance training and their max aerobic power was on par with the endurance training.

And so you had the benefits of both, which I thought was good, but I agree that the way they were doing it would not be sustainable over time. And so that’s something that I would. That I would point out for people listening to us. And we talk about concurrent training, a lot that this study to me proves that even over just a 12 week period, concurrent training can get you the strength and the aerobic capacity that you want, but doing it the way that they did it for this study is not sustainable.

The way that we do it is sustainable. We program it differently where we, we mix the two together. In the same day, you know, not the way that they did it [00:24:00] obviously, but that there is the breakdown that we read was kind of which it comes from mass. They’re not, I don’t think super high on the concurrent training anyway, but, they were kind of trying to highlight the fact that, you know, the strengths was going down a little bit at certain point for concurrent training and all that.

But what you find at the end of it is that. The concurrent training. People are on par with the people from just resistance and the people from just endurance. And so that even with a kind of a faulty program, as far as we’re concerned, a faulty program, something that’s not sustainable that we wouldn’t give to people.

I’m finding it, finding a good program. That’s concurrent training. That’s actually trained for longevity. The way that we do it, it’s going to be sustainable. And it’s actually going on. Even though they highlighted the injury risk going up. The way that we do it is actually going to mitigate risk more than it, more than an [00:25:00] increase it.

So my point was just, I liked that it showed concurrent training. Was it equal and you could make gains in both, both areas. but my point was also that doing it in a sustainable way is really important and that’s the way that we do it. So I hope that people aren’t out finding this article or this. A study anywhere and thinking, Oh, well this would be good for 12 weeks, but then I need to do something else.

And it’s like, no, you don’t need to do something else. You just need to find a better program. You just need a . That’s exactly what I’m trying to say. that’s perfect. Just come and do it here because we take it seriously. 

Jerred Moon: Well, these concurrent training studies are always looked through the lens of a strength athlete or an endurance athlete.

So the endurance athlete will look at it and be like, look how much better my view to max could be if I didn’t do so much strength training. Strength athletes will look at it and be like, look how much stronger I could be. Even if it’s marginal, I could still be stronger if I didn’t do conditioning. Not many people look at it through, okay.

I want to be a concurrent training athlete. What, what can I expect? And we obviously are ones who do [00:26:00] that, but the, my main takeaway for garage in athletes is if you only want to train strength, which is a lot of not our programming athletes, just people who train in their garage gyms. There are a lot of power lifting based people.

And I always say, like, if you only want to do powerlifting, just admit that you’re a little bit lazy. That’s my, that’s what I’m trying to get at for everyone who only wants to lift heavy things. Just admit it. And I’m not talking about someone on the strength track, because if you’re in the strength track a grudge athlete, you’re doing concurrent training, all tracks are concurrent training at garage, an athlete.

You’re just hitting it a little bit different, but if you only want to do strength work, you’re a little bit lazy and you will VO two max is going to decrease, which is one of the best predictors of how long you’re going to live. So that’s my takeaway, maybe a little offensive, but that’s my ultimate takeaway.

You can say a lot worse things. In today’s world.

[00:27:00] Joe Courtney: I just have one last little note and then we can move on to the topic. 

Jerred Moon: There you go. I just dropped the hammer like that. Everyone’s like, I don’t know what to say. 

Joe Courtney: Well, I mean, it can be a little fun and not later note, I just found, I realized that a part of the hamstring there is a bicep in there by step for Morris.

So now when I train hamstrings, I’m just gonna call it bicep day. Oh, my 

Jerred Moon: goodness. It gives a whole new meaning to sexy Saturday. 

Joe Courtney: Exactly. 

Jerred Moon: I find separate means you’re gonna be training hamstrings and your bicep 

Joe Courtney: all the time. 

Jerred Moon: All right. So, okay. We’re going to move on to the topic. Concurrent training. Do it.

Don’t be lazy. If you’re a strength athlete, same with endurance. If you’re an endurance athlete, don’t be lazy. Do some strength work. Doing both, but 

Kyle Shrum: don’t just do concurrent training, do it here. 

Jerred Moon: And then one step further. If we just want to go ahead and push it all the way over the edge. Yeah. Joe is combing his hair.

Joe Courtney: Can do that 

Jerred Moon: comic relief. [00:28:00] okay. So we were going to talk about current events today. I th I feel like it’s just, and not, not every current event, more CrossFit, current event. So we talk about, it’s, if you guys haven’t been paying attention, And the reason I wanted concurrent training to go along with this one is because really this is, I see this as the rise of concurrent training.

I think you’re going to start hearing a lot more of that term, cause people aren’t going to know what to call what they’re doing anymore. And they’re going to go to concurrent training.com and they’re going to find out we already own that. And we’ve been doing it for a long time, welcome to the party, but that’s about to happen, fell backwards into this one.

But anyway, if you guys haven’t been keeping up. Greg Glassman said some offensive things, racist things, whatever. you know, he got. Disowned by his community of Kyle, to be honest, I think you have a better understanding of what happened. Do you think you could give us the lowdown, you were kind of keeping us up to date 

Joe Courtney: until you were like, bro.

[00:29:00] Kyle Shrum: That’s exactly what I said. Cause I say that a lot. anyway, his, his tweet was specifically, he, it was a really, really simple tweet, actually. All he said was Floyd 19. and it was in response to, I don’t know what organization it was, but he was trying to take a jab at that organization, by using the current situation with, after George Floyd’s death and also the COVID-19 outbreak, they put the two together, but he did it in a really, tone, deaf and insensitive way.

I mean, it’s just not, it’s not something that you should say. especially as the CEO of a global brand is just not something that he should have said. And it was, basically CrossFit just imploded over the weekend 

Jerred Moon: after marriage. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. After he did that and, you know, multiple, athletes, you know, games, athletes, really popular athletes for just taking a social media, just disowning it, just condemning it saying this is not cool.

a lot of affiliate gyms have dropped their affiliates. [00:30:00] Label, I think over 400 have dropped. I actually checked before 

Jerred Moon: cast and morning Chalkup who seems to be the CrossFit news source is that they set up the 1,250. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. So it’s, it’s not just them, you know, there’s a lot of corporate sponsors for CrossFit that have dropped like Reebok being one, obviously.

Really huge deal. Rogue has rogue dropped them from there or the CrossFit label from the invitation all this weekend. And also is they’re going to fulfill the 20, 20 CrossFit games, but then they’re going to renegotiate and probably not fulfill the equipment for the games moving forward. other companies like fit aid, no bull rom wad bear complex, born primitive, all of these different companies that are big CrossFit affiliated companies.

Out, just ask them just completely. Out. I know for one, Jason Khalifa, one of, you know, he’s a former games [00:31:00] champion, nor Cal CrossFit, he’s dropped to the CrossFit label. He’s actually launching his own licensing course, which is kinda crazy. apparently he’s been working on it for awhile and now he’s taken this opportunity to do that.

Rich Froning condemned it openly, a big, big deal for a guy like him to just. To jump ship. So anyway, basically CrossFit just imploded over the weekend. And, since then Greg Glassman has officially, officially he retired from CrossFit from me, this position as CEO and Dave Castro has replaced him as CEO of CrossFit.

So that’s kind of where things stand right now, but just. Really, really crazy stuff happening. And especially to a global brand like that, that’s been, that’s become so big for a while 

Jerred Moon: and that’s what happens. And, you know, I think so. I don’t, I don’t care about CrossFit. We haven’t, it’s, it’s funny because every other.

Website [00:32:00] out there that provides daily programming was very quick to be like, Hey, we are not affiliated with CrossFit and blah, blah, blah. We didn’t make any statement because if you’ve been listening to the podcast, since this is episode 50, by the way, if you’ve been listening to episode one, when we started this, this format, our, or later, you already know that we have no affiliation and have a slight hatred for.

CrossFit. mainly the methodology though. I wasn’t really against the people or the community. I just didn’t think the methodology is something that is sustainable. and, but I’ve always, I’ve never really been a fan of a Glassman. And this goes back to like my early blogging days when like his minions would come and like harass me for, cause I had like semi negative CrossFit articles early on, like that’s one reason Joe was here today because he read.

The cross that will make you weaker article. and I’ve had some other stuff like that throughout the years, and they are just a poorly led to be honest, and I’m not trying to attack Glassman, but I just think that, that I don’t think [00:33:00] everyone leaving is just the one incident, because I do think a lot of people.

Have the ability to forgive. cause I mean, you’ve seen it like professional athletes have make horrible mistakes all the time. They come out with an apology and all that stuff. I think what he did was wrong, but at the same time, I feel like everyone was also kinda like, thank goodness I’ve been waiting.

I’ve been waiting. This is like the, you know, the, the straw that broke the camel’s back. If you will, they’re like. You just, haven’t been really helping us and now I want out, so now the discussion becomes what happens if no one is doing CrossFit. And that’s kind of what I want to ask you guys. Like if everyone’s trying to distance themselves from CrossFit, like what’s, what’s next, you know, is everyone to come up with their own methodology and, that Ono, like, I’d love to hear what you guys think is going to happen.

That he’s going to be strength and conditioning gyms. And I, I get a little frustrated because when I used to like that CrossFit will make you weaker article written a long time ago. [00:34:00] And that’s when people would argue with me that you literally don’t need strength programming. If you were going to do CrossFit, that used to be the argument.

No one argues that with me today and people listening to this, probably never even heard it if you haven’t been in, in the community for a while, but those used to be legitimate arguments, CrossFitters would have in me that you don’t need any sort of strength programming to get stronger. You can just do your 10 minute wad and you’re gonna, you’re gonna be able to dead lift 600 pounds.

That’s how it works. that doesn’t happen anymore. And now. We’ve been strengthened conditioning, concurrent training away from CrossFit. And I just want to see what happens, but I feel like we’re about to get heavily mimicked and all the things that we’ve been doing in positioning ourselves for a long time.

but I would love, I mean, that doesn’t bother me. Like there’s plenty, plenty of seats at the table, but, these are also, people have been hating on, on what we’ve been doing for a long time. So I’d love to get your guys’ opinion on what do you think is gonna happen from here? I think 

Ashley Hicks: a lot of boxes actually have [00:35:00] changed a little bit.

Like I agree with you, Jared. When I started back in 2010, it was you show up and you don’t know, like if today’s going to be a seven minute workout day or is today going to be a. 60 75 minute workout day. You just kind of never knew. And you never had like a, there was nothing, there was no progression right there.

What you said there was no, like, again, it wasn’t concurrent training, but I think a lot of boxes, especially if like you’re talking about the elite level athletes that are there, like Jason Khalifa, rich Froning I feel like they’re already doing their own. Training now, are they taking it from a CrossFit perspective?

Sure. But I feel like some boxes are already doing that. Like they’re not necessarily taking what CrossFit, like crossfit.com. If you used to go online and you see the workout of the day, some people weren’t even doing that. Right. They were just doing their own kind of training again, throwing. Gosh, I remember one of my boxes I used to go to, we did the Windler program.

I can’t tell you. [00:36:00] How many times in a year, just to throw in some sort of strength program and then, Oh, by the way you got another 

Jerred Moon: blog. 

Ashley Hicks: Yep. Pretty much. And so, but I think that’s kind of already, people are trying to already change to that in the CrossFit realm. or what I’ve seen, I guess, again, I cannot speak from experience cause I don’t do CrossFit, but I know some of my friends that do and so.

hopefully they kind of figure out though, like again, the whole high-intensity aspect of it like that, they’re not going to burn their people out, but that’s what I think will change is that it’s going to be more structured. Hopefully I would have hope. again, I don’t know what they’re going to call it.

Cause I think nor Cal was what nor Cal fit now instead of CrossFit and I’m sure mayhem will just be like, Mayhem athletes or who knows what it’ll be, but like, I feel like something’s going to be, you know, they’ll just take the cross or the CrossFit completely out. And it’ll [00:37:00] just be the title of whatever the gym was before they had the CrossFit name.

But that’s what I think.

Joe Courtney: So I, First, I kind of feel bad for like the smaller gyms, because they’re not at fault, but people are just going to drop them like a bad habit, even though it’s they had nothing to do with it. Even though they have good owners, good people and everything. So it’s like they’re in a really bad position.

Cause like, well, having that cross a label kind of helps my gym be found, but I don’t want to be associated with it. So that kind of sucks for them. 

Jerred Moon: And to roll right off the pandemic just to con yeah. 

Joe Courtney: Nobody’s gonna show up anyway 

Jerred Moon: and didn’t make, and then this like to be a CrossFit gym owner right now is a very challenging position to be in.

Kyle Shrum: Now that I think about it, I think that’s what Glassman was trying to do. The, the, the, the place that he was taking a jab at was basically saying something about like public health crisis. And he was trying to take a jab at them for saying, you basically shut down CrossFit gyms by telling everybody to stay home and.

So now I’m going to get back [00:38:00] at you, but he did it in a really, 

Joe Courtney: even before that he had some really, Not that funny, weird, a bad taste jokes, Kobe jokes before. And like, I get trying to be funny, but there’s just, there’s just weren’t it. Anyway. I think the gyms now are gonna, they’re going to drop that cross it labeled people.

Aren’t going to be. labeled cross it, but it’s going to be like a wink, wink, nudge, nudge of we’re costed, but we’re not labeled CrossFit. So there’s going to be, I think some sort of non CrossFit organization may pop up to be like, Hey, well this is like the functional fitness space. And we’re just going to have like a functional fitness, either games, competition, friendlies, stuff like that.

Somebody even proposed like, you know, ropes, you just make their own road games. And then that’s that. Cause they’re already do do the equipment anyway. 

Jerred Moon: And the programming might get so much better. Yeah, 

Kyle Shrum: like, cause 

Jerred Moon: so Dave Castro stepped up as the CEO, as Kyle mentioned, he’s also the person who always did the programming that I don’t need any say anything else.

Hopefully the programming gets better. 

Joe Courtney: Yeah, [00:39:00] and I think it’ll just be, gyms, if anything, they’re going to have much more flexibility to do their programming, to have their own like, Whoa, probably a lot of athletes to have like an open gym space and like not have the rigidity of the classes. So they might, instead of just like, when you go to across the gym, it’d be like, Hey, you know, we just do CrossFit all of these classes and there’s like one or two other options.

It might just be like, Hey, we have these classes. But then there’s other things that you can do. So I think the flexibility will come. They’re going to have to, because they’re going to have to separate themselves more than just being, Oh, you’re just the closest cross, the gym close to me versus, Oh, you’re going to offer this different kind of program, this different kind of flexibility in these different equipment.

So it would just be like a regular, you know, how Jim is and that, yeah. That’s kind of what they’re going to have to have to do. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah, I agree. And I’ve, I agree with you in saying that I feel really sorry for these gym owners who are having to make the decision, you know, do I stay affiliated with CrossFit so I can attract people to my gym or do I disaffiliate and, you know, try to make it on [00:40:00] my own, but I’m hoping what they’ll do is actually do some, do some research on how to program.

You know, instead of just taking the CrossFit course, which maybe not, maybe won’t be as available anymore or as attractive anymore, instead of just learning how to train in program for CrossFit, but actually learn how to program. You know, for real and for real people. And I think we might see an uptick in the, the regular boards that have already been around like the NSCA, you know, in, in ASM and stuff like that.

There might be some more people going for certifications there instead of skipping out on them to do the CrossFit thing. but at the same time, 

Jerred Moon: yeah, I could not be happier right now. 

Kyle Shrum: I know, I know. At the same time. I don’t know that CrossFit is necessarily going to go away. You know, you might have people, they might be able to retain, you know, a lot of their, a lot of their community and enough affiliates to [00:41:00] keep going.

And maybe, you know, after getting Glassman out of there, you know, maybe they’re able to, you know, Reforge some corporate. Sponsorships and stuff. I think it’s still keep plugging along, you know? So I don’t know that it’s, I don’t know that it’s going to be absolutely the death of CrossFit CrossFit may still be around, but the landscape is definitely going to change and it’s definitely not going to be, a perennial powerhouse.

Like it has been for a while. Yeah, 

Jerred Moon: I really don’t think CrossFit is going anywhere. I just think that it’s going to be, like I said, the rise of concurrent training, like I think more people are going to, because you have this like mass right. Of just. This is CrossFit. I think a section of it now is going to break off and be like, look, we were really getting into programming and you know, all these other things, and we kind of wanted to distance ourselves away from the methodology, move more towards strength and conditioning.

Anyway, concurrent training. I think the people who were wanted to do that. Now are going to, and it’s going to be a large amount, but it’s just going to be a percentage. I think CrossFit [00:42:00] absolutely will continue on the hub. Dave Castro, if I had to make an actual prediction, I think Greg Glassman will be back within the next two years.

He owns a hundred percent of the company it’s not publicly traded. He can’t be fired. He stepped down. He can take the reigns back at any time. It’s just, I think he’ll be back. I mean, it could shoot him in the foot, but people forget about things pretty fast. You know, it normally takes a few news cycles for things to be forgotten, especially when it’s about an individual person making a mistake, not like a giant mass movement in America or something like that.

But what one person made a mistake, he apologized a lot of people didn’t like the apology, but. Ultimately, I think he, he probably will be back. I don’t think CrossFit is going anywhere. but people were talking about people, these other like Froning or  picking up the Slack. I, I, to be honest, I don’t think they’re big enough.

I don’t think that they, they are a powerhouse. People don’t understand the difference in, in business size of like, you might see that rich [00:43:00] Froning has a million followers on Instagram or whatever, but his business compared to CrossFit. Like is nothing like Froning has a life because of CrossFit, like CrossFit built Froning and CrossFit is a massive, massive company.

And so I think, I don’t think that they’re going to be going anywhere. I think they just need some new leadership and new direction, but like I said, I I’m really excited about the let’s let’s play concurrent training, let’s start the concurrent training games and, you know, go down that road. So I think, I think there’s a big opportunity for a shift in fitness.

To, like I said, do maybe just participate a little bit more in what we’ve been talking about for so long. And that has me excited, but also, I don’t know. It’s like, where are you guys been? That’s kind of, that’s how I feel about it. To be honest, 

Joe Courtney: we distance ourself across the, it was cool. 

Jerred Moon: Yeah. Like in. And God that’s, that’s where the chip on my shoulder is.

Like, God, I get so much hate [00:44:00] mail for not liking CrossFit. And now it’s like the cool thing to do to not like cross this, 

Joe Courtney: go back to like, Hey, how’s it going? Yeah, yeah, 

Jerred Moon: yeah, yeah. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. And a lot of our, a lot of our athletes in our community are former CrossFitters. A lot of them are a lot of the people we coach, you know, I can’t tell you how many coaching calls I’ve been coaching consults.

I’ve been home with people, you know, and I’m like, Hey, you know, give me a little background on you. You know, where’s your, where’s your training background know? Well, I was doing CrossFit for a while, you know? I mean, it’s, it’s just about every one of them, you know? So all of us have an experience with that and we’ve all kind of experienced.

Hey. This isn’t really working. Let’s go find something that actually works. And that’s what we have here. We’ve got something that actually works. 

Jerred Moon: Yeah. I think if you want to be a garage, gym athlete, the CrossFit mentality is very inline with that. Cause we were all into CrossFit at some point, like all of us and now we I’ll have, well, Joe, we all have garage gems for the most part.

Kyle Shrum: Joe has a pergola. 

[00:45:00] Jerred Moon: Joe, Joe has a garage gym. Yeah. So I think, I think it’s a very natural progression. And I do think that we talked about this last time kind of in the future of fitness idea, but then there’s always going to be the Peloton, the mirror on your wall that you get to exercise with an instructor, which to me is just like really expensive P90X.

Have you guys seen the mirror thing? Like when I saw, I saw that I was like, You are trying to, I don’t know how much it costs, but if I had to guess, I would say $3,000, and it’s like $3,000 for basically. And a very cool version of P90X, you know, they’re like, yeah, just follow along with the monkey. See monkey dude.

That’s been around

monkey, see monkey do fitness. It’s just been around. But anyway, that’s going to, I hope that that those things help a lot of Americans, the mirror Peloton, all those things, but then they’re going to be the people like us [00:46:00] who are. That we want to train. Like, it doesn’t matter what kind of new tech comes out.

Like I want to use a barbell. I want to ride a bike outside. I want to run outside. Even if it’s raining, like there are those types of people. And I think that. I I, to be honest, I just think garage gyms are going to be more and more of a thing. Like I think that’s just the direction, we’re headed, you know, especially if the, if there’s like a resurgence in pandemic just to hit on all the current events.

If, if the pandemic, sparks up again, like I think more people will be prepared to operate in their garage gyms, even if they’re going back to their gym right now, because they’ll they’ll know that they should have those reserves. 

Kyle Shrum: Well, I think going back to what we talked about with the future of fitness a few weeks ago, where we were talking about there’s going to have to be a digital side to it.

that’s, that’s now going to happen to CrossFit big time, I think. and maybe that’s something that’s already happened to them of having to provide, online training during COVID and stuff like that. But I think that’s a lot of gyms are going to have to not [00:47:00] just, you know, regular. Regular jams, but I feel like CrossFit, I guess we should start using air quotes, like CrossFit gyms, you know, that used to be CrossFit.

Gyms are going to have definitely going to have to start adding that as well. So. They’re just going to have to kind of fall in line with the rest of us. Now. I think 

Jerred Moon: functional fitness gyms, I think is what they prefer. Yeah. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. Well, and now, you know, every time somebody asks me how I train and I, I try to kind of explain it to them like, Oh, so you do CrossFit.

It’s like, no, I don’t do CrossFit. And now I can definitely say no, I definitely don’t do CrossFit, like for many different reasons, but that’s just what we get all the 

Jerred Moon: time. Well, let’s just put a little pin in concurrent training right now. This is like a social experiment for me. So for everybody listening and for you guys, okay.

We’ve been talking about the current training for awhile, but let’s just officially make this the date. So podcast 50, if I’ve literally been on podcasts where someone’s [00:48:00] interviewing me and they like read about concurrent training my website and they can’t pronounce it, they’re like, what, what is this.

Con Kerr. I’m like you are a fitness professional, Sarah, but anyway, That’s where the industry is right now with concurrent training. It’s not like this big deal. So if you think that we are latching on to something that’s already incredibly popular, not the case, it’s a scientific term that we’re trying to own, but let’s just see what happens.

That’s all I’m saying. Social experiment. Let’s see what happens with the term concurrent training. If you start hearing it on other podcasts on YouTube, on the internet, just let us know, let us know if you see concurrent training start popping up anywhere. Cause I can guarantee you. They haven’t been doing it for very long.

So this is just my little let’s let’s drop a pin right here, episode 50. See what happens? We can, we can come back to this if we need to. but yeah, that’s all I got the, the, the workout thing. Ashley’s got it. Yeah.

[00:49:00] Ashley Hicks: Okay. So it is 10 rounds for time or in 30 minutes of 25 pull ups, you can KIPP 25 pushups, 25 setups and 25 air squats. So if you finish, you will have done a thousand. Hence the name. 1000. 

Jerred Moon: I’ll just go ahead and throw this out here, because I didn’t know if one of you guys were going to try and bring it up.

This workout comes from, I made it. I don’t know if it was 12 years ago, 10 years. I don’t know, but just Google garage, gym wad challenge into three fitness should be the first thing there. Click on that link, go to the bottom. There’s a PDF. With the most disgusting workouts ever. Only one of them I think has made it to a meet yourself Saturday, the other nine.

I just haven’t even been on like, I’m not programming [00:50:00] that, but the actual, the actual challenge was, you have to do all 10 of these workouts. You have to finish. All 10 rounds and under 30 minutes and you have to do 10 days of training in a row. So each one of these workouts and the D 10th day is thousand.

Is this workout, but if you guys want a little historical in three fitness, historical, circle fiction, no. Just nonfiction. Yeah. It’s the weights in there. Even like dumb, like, I don’t know. I mean, I was clearly just programming for myself and was like, screw it. You all have to do what I’m doing. 

Kyle Shrum: And by the way, I hate you as people.

Jerred Moon: Right. So if you guys want to see some ridiculous stuff, go check that out. But for this workout, what, what tips and tricks do you guys, half strategies 

Joe Courtney: it’s structured pretty well. So you can’t really 

Jerred Moon: do. 

Joe Courtney: I mean, so the 30 minutes is the cap and you have to do in 10 rounds that doesn’t, I mean, doing it for time is the ultimate goal, but if you’re already thinking you’re not going to be able to.

[00:51:00] Patient rounds up there’s, you know, by that math it’s three minutes per round. So if you’re flying through at like, you know, two minutes in the first round or two minutes or less than you might think you might gas out and slow down, you know, start off at like two 30, two 40 per round pace and then increase from there if you didn’t, if you really want to.

But that’s how we go about it. 

Jerred Moon: My tip is don’t break anything up. Like if possible. I knew I knew it if possible. And why I say that is because if you can’t do 25 pull ups, you’re allowed to KIPP. I believe right. You can do so you can keep on the pull ups. If you can’t do 25 kipping. Pull-ups that’s, I mean, that’s a hard thing to do.

I’m not saying like, if you can’t do that shame on you, I’m just saying if you’re going to sub. Do a sub to where you could do 25 reps. Like if you are going to do ring rows or some sort of substitute pick something, that’s going to allow you to get those [00:52:00] 25 reps. That way you can get through this really fast.

But because to be honest, if you’re not great at kipping pull ups and you’re going to try to do 250 of them, that might be a little bit painful and you could end up with an injury in the shoulder area, and that’s not something I want for anybody. So I’m trying to be very realistic of trying to get people to think about.

What could you do 25 of and do 25 of multiple times. So even if you are decent at pull-ups, but 25 is not in your wheelhouse, maybe sub this one, maybe go a little bit less than what you would normally do. And it’s okay because you’re just trying to get through the workout. So that’s my tip. And then as far as not breaking, breaking it up, like just try to get all 25 pushups, try to get all 25 setups, all 25 squats without having to do like.

Fives to get to 25 or something like that. Just try to get them all done. If you need to rest, rest after that last set of squats and then go into the next one.

I shut it down. Is that, 

Kyle Shrum: yeah. [00:53:00] So I would say just don’t stop moving no matter what, just, just keep moving. I mean, it’s 30 minutes and believe it or not, 30 minutes is going to go by quickly in a workout. It’s not going to feel like that while you’re doing it, but once you’re done, it’s going to be like, okay, that was only 30 minutes.

And it went by quick. So, that Tom is going to get away from you pretty quickly. If you start taking a lot of rest. So just don’t stop moving. because we want you to, obviously we want you to finish all 10 rounds. We don’t want you to get Tom cap, but. But at the time cap in there for a reason, because we do love you.

We don’t hate you. So, you know, we’re not going to make you, you know, trudge through it just to, just to get all the reps in, you know, we want you to be safe about it, but just don’t stop moving. Just get as many reps as you can. And then when you, this gets programmed again, then you get more reps because you’re fitter because of concurrent training and tied it all back in.

Jerred Moon: Just don’t stop [00:54:00] moving. How I plan to end the podcast. If you want to experience some awesome concurrent training that isn’t CrossFit, go to garage, gym, athlete.com and sign up for a free trial. We would love to have you be part of the community. I think that’s it. You guys got anything, any parting shots of wisdom?

For life, 

Joe Courtney: parts of wisdom in my updates. 

Kyle Shrum: Yeah. I have a lot of those, but we don’t have time. 

Jerred Moon: Yeah. I just have a bunch of dad jokes. So we’re going to get out of here. concurrent training, Raji, matthew.com or no, actually go to concurrent training.com as a little experiment. Go, go, do that. See what happens.

And we will see you in your 14 day free trial for everyone who is doing the training. Thanks guys. Thanks for sticking around and believing in what we’re doing. I actually love every single one of you because Kyle just mentioned that and I think it’s true. Like, alright. See ya.