Hey, Athletes! Want to learn how nitric oxide can enhance your strength? Tune into this week’s episode of the Garage Gym Athlete Podcast!
Episode 78 of The Garage Gym Athlete Podcast is up!
The Coddling of the Mind and Nitric Oxide on Strength
This week Jerred, Joe, and Kyle are back at it! After updates and announcements, the guys dive into the study. This week’s study is on how nitrate and citrulline can enhance your strength performance. This week’s topic is another book review. The guys go over The Coddling Of The American Mind and give their thoughts and takeaways on the book. This week’s Meet Yourself Saturday Workout is Condition Me To The Grave. This one will definitely make you meet yourself!
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IN THIS 68-MINUTE EPISODE WE DISCUSS:
- Condition Me To The Grave
- New Cycle
- The Coddling of the American Mind
- Nitrate Oxide
- Christmas Vacation
- Tips For MYS
- Updates and Announcements
- And A LOT MORE!!
Diving Deeper
If you want to go a little bit deeper on this episode, here are some links for you:
Study of the Week
Garage Gym Athlete Workout of the Week
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Related Resources at End of Three Fitness:
- Building a Better Mind Through Interpersonal Neurobiology with Dr. Dan Siegel
- How to Master Strength Training and the Mind: An Interview with Mike Bledsoe
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To becoming better!
Jerred
Transcript:
Jerred Moon
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the garage gym athlete podcast. Jerred. Moon here with the twins.
Joe Courtney
Yes, twins. Yeah.
Jerred Moon
It’s Kyle and Joe. And they’re wearing the same exact shirt.
Joe Courtney
This was not last tour on. Yeah. It wasn’t three ways.
Jerred Moon
Yeah, the fact that it wasn’t planned just makes my whole whole life right there. But, uh,
Kyle Shrum
it’s happened, you could have been wearing this shirt for this. I
Jerred Moon
will. I will actually. So I told them the story before I was wearing that shirt this morning. But then I changed shirts.
Kyle Shrum
So it’s weird and refuse to change it again.
Jerred Moon
Yeah, I can’t change that many times.
Joe Courtney
Solidarity means nothing.
Jerred Moon
Well, welcome to the 28th of December. That’s when this will be published. So we are rolling into a new cycle. Really awesome. Welcome to the new cycle. If you’re not signed up for the new cycle, go do that. Just go to garage mathlete. org sign up. And because this is the first week, great way to kick off your year. So welcome to the new cycle and almost 2021 where things are going to be completely different than they were. And 2020. I’m calling it. So let’s get some updates from everybody. Joe,
Joe Courtney
I was like, pretty good. pretty busy is definitely our busier time of year with I mean holidays is one thing but changing over cycles and getting prepped for all that all that changeover is always exciting, fun, interesting. I am. Also I guess I can do this. This is my update. I’m writing the full strength cycle next, this wave coming up. So this past cycle I did I jumped in partway through, I rode the wave two and three, so weeks four to 12 or five to 12. But this next cycle will be my first full cycle, writing for strength and I’ve got some pretty decent plans for it. So kind of excited about that. So I’ll be sticking with strength. This upcoming cycle spoiler alert because of that I want to see just do one of my full cycles from start to finish.
Jerred Moon
Awesome. Yeah, I’ve seen this plan. It’s a good one. So you, you’re on that strength track. You’re gonna have some fun. good fun. How’s it out? How’s life for you,
Kyle Shrum
man? Let’s go on. Well, when this publishes, this will have already happened. But as of right now, I’m still looking forward to Christmas vacation. Not the movie. Watch that last night.
Jerred Moon
Just to prep for your vacation.
Kyle Shrum
Right?
Joe Courtney
I’m skipping that movie.
Kyle Shrum
Hannah and I are going on a little Christmas vacation this year. We’re gonna let the kids stay with her parents for a couple of days. And she and I are gonna go and have some alone time for a couple days. I’m really looking forward to that. So that’s gonna be my become a yearly thing. We’ll see how it goes. But this is kind of in lieu of getting each other Christmas presents, like actual things. Instead, we’re gifting each other with a vacation without the kids. So that should be a lot of fun.
Joe Courtney
We are doing a staycation.
Kyle Shrum
What is Christmas lock in Barbary?
Joe Courtney
Just the same, but you know, sandier and sunnier.
Jerred Moon
Yeah, what’s the high on Christmas day looking like,
Joe Courtney
since we right now this past? I mean, this past weekend, I guess going forward. It’s like 7272.
Jerred Moon
So not much different than Texas. I think our highs were. We’re looking at about 70 for Christmas Day.
Kyle Shrum
We’ve been in the 70s the last few years on Christmas day here in Tennessee too crazy.
Joe Courtney
Yeah, even Maryland shorts one year. Well, that’s comes with it.
Jerred Moon
Global warming.
Kyle Shrum
That’s it. That’s it. Also another update. I missed my bike. I’ve been running a lot for BCT I really miss my bike. And I don’t know where to work it in. I don’t know how I don’t know where. And
Jerred Moon
surprisingly I haven’t missed it that much.
Kyle Shrum
Also, like well, I had just like just really gotten into it and was like really enjoying, you know, the whole process of like, becoming a cyclist, I guess. But, and I had just gotten it tuned up, got a new seat on it. All that kind of stuff. New new handlebar grip tape, and it was riding really smooth. Then it started VCT you could
Jerred Moon
use it for almost AutoZone to stuff. That’s true. That’s just gonna be like a staple every week. So I think that’s probably the best place to fit it.
Joe Courtney
Ours isn’t that’s like not a stationary.
Kyle Shrum
No, it’s an actual. Yep,
Joe Courtney
it’s it should go places. Yeah.
Jerred Moon
That’s what’s cool about bikes is how far you can actually go. Yeah, that’s the bummer about running. It’s like you run an hour and you’re not really that far away from home? No, no.
Kyle Shrum
Yeah, that’s a good idea, though. here for the zone two stuff. I’ll start, I’ll start doing the bike for zone two. Yep, there we go. No, I won’t have to wait like, another nine months before I ride my bike again,
Joe Courtney
solving problems. It’s it, it’s what I do.
Kyle Shrum
That’s what we’re here to do. That’s why I come here.
Jerred Moon
Alright, so I’m gonna talk a little bit about the podcast today and given update only have one update. So today we are, I’m thinking this might be something I start doing, you know, I would change things up in 2021. And I’m just gonna try it out here where I kind of tell you what we’re going to do on the podcast before we do it. Like, wouldn’t that be like a nice thing to hear towards the beginning of like, breakdown? Yeah, yeah, cuz I mean, the only thing on the table? Yeah, if you’re listening, all you have is the title, you’re like, I hope it’s good. You know, and you don’t really know. And so I’ll tell you what we’re talking about. Today, we’re talking about a study that has to do with nitric oxide supplementation, and how that may or may not be good for you. So we’ll talk about that. We’re covering a book, we try and cover a book. every single month, some months we get a little bit busy and carried away with other stuff, but most months we’ve hit it. And this month is the coddling of the American mind. So we’ll be talking about that book, really good book. I know we all have a lot to say on it. So that’s awesome. And then this week’s workout is conditioned me to the grave, which is which one of my favorites and I think I’ll definitely try and work this one into BCT and actually accomplish it. Now the only update I have so this is being published on December 28. The Killing comfort planner is a thing now so if you are around kind of this the launch of the killing comfort book, there was a planner we only really released it to people who had purchased the book, it was kind of like a bonus perk, you got the PDF version of the comfort planner for free. And there’s some like short video training, video tutorials I mean, none of the videos are like longer than a minute it’s not hard to describe a planner you know but like it just goes over how to use it how to best utilize it. So we do have the killing comfort planner available and what’s really cool Marco put together this ridiculously helpful. Like spreadsheet planner of killing comfort, you almost have to see it to like see how awesome it is. But really is the killing comfort planner in a spreadsheet version. So if you want to use something on your computer, and it like calculates things for you because we track a lot of stuff in the killing comfort planner. So that’s cool you’ll you’ll get if you do want the planner you go to killin comfort, calm and buy the planner, but you get that spreadsheet, which is amazing. You’ll see a video tutorial about that spreadsheet in there. You’ll also see all the video tutorials about just using the PDF and you’ll get the PDF but we are printing actual hard copies of the planner. So it’s going to be the exact same size as the killing comfort book. So the killing comfort book is 5.5 inches across and 8.5 inches tall it’s the exact same size it has a really awesome if I had the I had in hand I’d show to you but I’m actually working on getting the first copy over the next week or two but anyway got a really awesome wolf on it says killing comfort and you can kind of see the planner and I’ll explain a lot more but that was um it’s something that’s really been worked on for several months now but just all kind of came to fruition here at the end of actually putting it together to sending it to print and all that. So if you’re into planners start the new year is a great time to get a planner and this one is very very specific to like things that we do in the killing comfort book if you’ve read the book so go to gun cover comm check out the planner. And that’s that’s it. I’m excited about it.
Joe Courtney
People finally get their wolf.
Jerred Moon
They get the wolf cover.
Kyle Shrum
Yeah, I’m pumped about it time.
Joe Courtney
Let’s get hotly debated.
Kyle Shrum
It was came down to the wire on that.
Joe Courtney
Yeah, I think you were the wire.
Jerred Moon
I think you push so I said that. Yeah. You’re new we’re gonna have call signs wire
Joe Courtney
your child wire shrubs. He likes it.
Kyle Shrum
He likes I’m cool with that. Yeah.
Jerred Moon
All right, let’s get into the study. So the actual name of the study was centered just took effect of you know, precursor supplementation and exercise training. Okay, so there was we’ve talked about dietary nitrate before, right we we’ve talked about beads. And so this is along that same line, same supplementation conversation, but they’re doing six grams of citrulline and 520 20 milligrams of nitrate and You know, you can go back to our beats episode to learn a little bit more about nitric oxide and you know what it does to your blood vessels and how it can help you perform better. And there’s a lot of research on that. But this was a combination of those two things. And it was a longer duration, which was cool. So I’ll just talk about some of the specifics of the study. And then my kind of like, backwards confused takeaway about what to think about this. So I was a randomized, double blind trial with 24, healthy young people, they’re 12 females, they perform vascular function assessment, which is like blood pressure, pulse wave velocity, some sort of vasodilation test a lot of different things. And then they, and they did both local and whole body cycling exercise test to exhaustion before and after a two month exercise training program and daily intake of a placebo, or nitrate, rich salad and citrulline, which was in placebo, I don’t think I need to say anything. So basically, the they had just a carbohydrate drink. That was the placebo, or they had the actual citrulline and nitrate supplement. And this was for two months. And they did yeah, unilateral knee extensions, they saw who’s stronger, and aerobic tests and all that jazz. And all they really found, but I’ll get into my, my bigger takeaway, after all he really found was it was the maximal leg extension, right? Like the strength was the only true thing that came out to being statistically significant over eight weeks of training that improved. And then I’m gonna throw my own little asterisk on that, just and more, we’re going to answer asked questions that I don’t have the answer to. But I’d love to see what you guys thought. So supplementation with a stuff seemed to help people become a little bit stronger. But it didn’t really help with it didn’t seem to help with like aerobic or muscular endurance, things like that. So what do you guys think about this study
Joe Courtney
is good, too, they improved. Both groups improved, because but i think is mostly because they’re untrained athletes, they said they had to be not working out with like, more than twice a week or something like that. But the training that they did was how I took concurrent training. They did like a resistance day, they did a circuit day, they did a max power and aerobic test days. So they were varying their training a lot, I guess, spray and pray just to see what the supplement benefited the most from and I guess strength was was the one that they did. So they just went about add more of a random way, program wise, I didn’t start it like see the actual breakdown of the entire week program. But it was eight weeks of this very programming of, of how they went through it. Um, it looked and out of that strength and strength endurance, came out ahead, which was, which is still cool, because that’s a lot of what we do anyway. But let’s see what else was there? Yeah, I mean, that’s kind of all i The main thing that I took took from that was that they were doing they weren’t, they weren’t exactly. I’m not sure what they were trying to go for. With the programming is what I would kind of like to see. But that but they still there was still a noticeable improvement in the ones who had the nitric supplementation versus the ones who did not for the placebo group. So it’s, and it seems from what they had to I won’t take much away from Carl, but from what from how you can interject it into your nutrition, your diet, it seems not hard to do. So something to look more into. But I’ll pass it on over to Kyle now.
Kyle Shrum
I was about to say, you’ve pretty much taken everything already.
Joe Courtney
I mean, there was
Kyle Shrum
Yeah, there was there was that the programming that they put the the participants through was a little a little strange. They didn’t really they weren’t really super specific with some of the aspects of the programming, but it definitely was concurrent training. They were doing some cycling, they were doing some running, they were doing some names, read off, read off real quick what they were doing because I have it pulled up right here it says
Jerred Moon
the first weekly session was high intensity cycling with 20 to 100 and 22nd bounce at 80 to 100% of maximal aerobic power. So that was the first training session during the week. The second session consisted of several sets of leg extensions, with three to nine reps per set using 60 to 90% of their one rep max. After leg extensions. The session included some circuit training alternating between 30 seconds of activity and 20 to 30 seconds of recovery. So CrossFit ish and sounds like but with with rest periods in there, then they had leg extensions and I do think that’s a weird That’s a weird aerobic test, they only do 20 220 seconds. I mean, anyway, back to you. That’s what they were doing for the the programming.
Kyle Shrum
Yeah. And that’s kind of what I was getting at, you know, it said several sets, said some intervals, you know what I mean? And I’m like, Okay, how many? You know what I mean? Like, how many were you actually doing? Like, that’s kind of what I want to see. But anyway, it, the supplementation definitely helped with, with the muscle gain, and they were specifically training the knee extension, which is, you know, basically the same movement as a squat. And so I was just, and they were, they were testing the quads. And so it just made me think, hey, BCT, boys, pay attention to your nitrate supplementation, make sure that you’re getting you’re not trading and helping with those quad gains, because that’s basically what we’re doing. And obesity, we’re doing a lot of quad work, doing a lot of squat, and then a lot of running. And also, anytime we talk about supplements, do your research on supplements, make sure that you’re getting good high quality stuff, but kind of like what Joe was saying, you can basically replicate the the results of this, instead of using supplements, you can just eat good stuff that has the dietary nitrate in there, you can eat things like beets, like lettuce, celery, radishes, spinach, those kinds of things you get, you start getting those things into your diet, and you’re gonna be getting that dietary nitrate that you need to help out with that muscle gain. So. So it’s definitely helpful. It’s not, I don’t think it’s going to be, you know, the be all end all of your gains, but it’s definitely helpful. And those are things that you should be eating anyway. So just go eat those things in your, hopefully your muscle gains,
Joe Courtney
they did have a linear progression. It was just overall volume, they are adding sets. So what they didn’t get heavier with it, they just started week one, they did 18 sets of whatever exercises that they were doing. And by week eight, they’re at 30 sets.
Jerred Moon
It just progressed each week. Yeah, and they were vague on what the circuit training was, but it was in there. But here’s uh, so overall, if I read this study, and you’re like, Hey, here’s read the study and see if you think that you would take the supplement, I would say no, I don’t see enough of a reason to be taking a citrulline and nitrate supplement combination. But at the same time, there’s a lot more research on the nitrate side of this thing for helping endurance athletes. So I was actually really surprised when they’re like, No, I didn’t help then help maximal aerobic performance. And I know that they were trying to go for both. I do think they tested it a little odd. And I’m not trying to stick up for nitrate because I think it’s an amazing deal. I do think that you can eat, eat it easier than you can supplement. But I do find it odd that they didn’t find it helpful, but a lot of other research does. And so then I look that’s when I dig into the numbers. I’m like, this is a little bit strange. But they reported people’s video to max. And I don’t know if you guys looked at the change, but the placebo group via to max when they have a range, right, so they put 50.4 plus or minus 7.4. And if you guys know anything about v2 Max, this is the placebo baseline 50 vo two Max, that’s pretty solid. To start. That’s a good and then they end post this is the placebo group. So just from training, basically, they ended with 54 plus or minus 6.1. They’re up to 54 on their view to max and then now let’s talk about the supplementation group. They started 52.4 plus or minus 8.8. So a little bit higher range. But then it was they ended at 57.8 almost 58 and some of these people plus or minus 7.1. I mean some people were above 60. And they they ultimately say this doesn’t come out to any sort of statistical significance but then that this goes back to like, Are you kidding me? Like this is a huge you know how hard it is to change your vo to max and how long it takes like eight weeks is just a primer like your vo two max changes getting warmed up. So the fact that there’s this much change in people’s vo two Max, either, you know, maybe the training was good because it happened in both but if you’re almost four points higher than someone on vo two Max, you’re running circles around that human being. It doesn’t matter about statistical significance anymore. If I go on a run with somebody who has four points higher than me on their view to Max, I’m going to feel like a child because That’s, that’s just how vo two max works. It’s once you get to these upper ends like it, guys, it doesn’t go much higher than that, like not for athletes like us not for athletes like this. And so for also this going back to like, Where are they? How are they? How are they measuring? Vo two Max, am I missing something here? Because those are those are not like elite level. They’re not like, you know, Tour de France, elite level like 60s, high 60s, low 70s. You know, I think some of the ones most ridiculous ones that have been reported and stuff. But that’s not happening in recreational athletes, I would, I would bet most people in our community are in the 40s. And then the fitter people in our communities are going to be in the low 50s. If I had to guess, just because we’re not these, it’s not something we chase. We’re not hardcore aerobic athletes who are spending hours an hour trying to improve our vt max. But anyway, this, that’s just something I wanted to point out, because I was like, that seems like a big change to me. And I know it wasn’t statistical difference between a number standpoint. But the difference between 1% at one point on vo two max in your overall fitness is massive. And I don’t think that you can correlate numbers to that. So when I look at the numbers, I’m like, wow, maybe this is something that we should talk about. Again, going back to that how long it actually takes to improve you to max. I’ve been doing so much research on just dialing in endurance programming for what we’re doing on BCT. And some of the stuff I’m uncovering is just super annoying, because they’re like, yeah, follow this type of training. And then like in four years, you’re gonna be I’m like, Damn, that is those are some long term plans. But that’s how long it takes to truly become like an endurance, badass. I mean, it’s the same with strength, it’s not like strength as much different. You can see big jumps in strength, like a 20 pound pr 30 pound PR. So it seems like you’re progressing quickly. But in the grand scheme of things, you’re not training for a year and strength and you have an elite level squat, you know, you’re not squatting 450 pounds after a year of training like that takes, that’s another four year thing. So there’s a it takes a long time. So I do think when I look at the numbers, I’m a little bit more interested in the supplementation, because I’m like, Yeah, they say it’s not statistically significant. But if I could gain four points in my view to max over someone else in eight weeks, I’m probably going to give it a try. And then the same with the the power output, they measured in watts, and I’m just familiar with watts, because the pre was 241, they went to 263. I don’t know how long maybe that was max watts over one of these like, say 100 22nd test. And then the other group was 246. And then they max out at 271. Again, not statistically significant, right? But holding 263.5 watts for a significant amount of time versus 200, and almost 72 watts. When you when you take me out to my garage, and have me do those two different workouts, again, completely different numbers wise, not very not huge statistical difference. But we’re talking about holding power output for 20 minutes, 30 minutes at those two different levels. That’s significant to me. So it I you know, I don’t know how you could factor these things into Yes, I think you have to have a coach, look at these things. Because to put it in perspective of what I’m trying to say is if I was like, say you were some steroids without ridiculously strong person who could lift 2000 pounds. And so yeah, Kyle can live two tons. And I’m like, I can lift 1000 pounds, I can lift one ton. percentage wise, you know, you do one more than me like me, like if we’re just looking at the numbers like oh, there’s not a huge statistical difference. You know, even though it’s 2000 2000 pounds difference, right? Like, I’m lifting 2000 pounds, you’re lifting 4000 pounds or whatever. No, I said 1000 2000. So half a ton versus a ton. Right? It’s, it’s a big difference once we get into the practicality of that. And I feel like that that’s what you need to look at in this study. So maybe it is worth it. But again, I would try and eat most of it is my big takeaway. He all the things Kyle mentioned, great sources of that, eat it. I have tried to beat supplementation. But I still think that you just get more from food. You know, like, I prefer food. But I’m also saying like, I think that if you if I ate a full beat, it’s going to be more bang for my buck than like two scoops of a beat supplement. It’s just easier to scoop some stuff than it is to eat to be at times but yeah, that’s my takeaway and kind of when I started to dive into it, what I what I was seeing
Joe Courtney
it on your last PCT video, you’ve had a beat up Matt, do you remember what what’s what kind of supplement is that?
Jerred Moon
It’s back there. It’s just a I mean it’s like pure organic beats like each scoop is supposed to be like a beat or something like that.
Joe Courtney
Nice. Yeah, I was I see. Yeah. Yeah. Just like out of the bat, I was pulling up my phone while you were talking about that. And I mean, I have some data going back from what I wore my Apple Watch pretty early on and garage gym athlete I think my view to Max has only gone up like three points in like four years,
Jerred Moon
right or something. So and then it’s it’s harder as you age. There’s like these these cut offs every 10 years. They’re like, Okay, this is the max. That’s why the OT Max is heavily broken down by age. But Dan, and most of these Yeah, Apple Watch does it. Garmin is apparently really accurate in calculating your vo two Max, I pulled up some studies on that when I first got the Garmin, I thought that was interesting. So yeah, it’s cool stuff. If you do want to measure your view to max is fairly easy to do these days. And even if it’s not 100% accurate, it’s going to be consistently inaccurate. So you’ll at least know if you’re making a change. And so that’s something to to know. You guys have anything else on that one?
Kyle Shrum
recovered? Oh.
Jerred Moon
All right. Cool. Well, yeah, maybe try it. I don’t know if it’s the just eat it. It’s fine. I’m basically telling you to eat vegetables. Just do it. Just go do it.
Joe Courtney
Yeah. I mean,
Kyle Shrum
spinach, man. Spinach is good.
Joe Courtney
Yeah, yeah. Get your Popeye on.
Jerred Moon
I literally eat a cup of spinach a day. So
Kyle Shrum
yeah, it’s good stuff.
Joe Courtney
Yeah, I didn’t see these levels. I’ve been eating celery a lot lately. Like every time I go to the store, it’s just one of those things that I have. In everyday my scramble I just take one long stalk of celery and chop it up, put it in my scrambled stuff like that. I don’t really know the levels on it. Sometimes I feel like lettuce is just wasted space on a plate, but everything else radishes. My dad eats those a lot. I know they have a lot of other awesome things, too. I just haven’t gotten into it.
Jerred Moon
Alright, let’s get into the book. So the book is The coddling of the American mind. How good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure by Greg lukianoff. And Jonathan Haidt, how you did height, height. Thanks, guy like, hate is definitely not it.
Kyle Shrum
It’s how it’s spelled out. Yeah, that’s
Joe Courtney
an ironic name for the
Jerred Moon
Yeah, it would be ironic, I should have just read that one out loud before the podcast started when I saw. Okay, so this is a very interesting book, I’ll just kind of give a premise of what the book does and talks about and then we can kind of give all of our opinions in, we all have a lot to say because it’s a lot of this is, is geared towards what what’s going on in America, really. And I’m not gonna lie overall, this, this book made me slightly depressed about the future of the United States of America. And I don’t say that lightly. I know, it’s just one book or whatever, but they’re not wrong. You can see what’s going on in America, it’s not hard to see how divided the country is and everything else. And we normally don’t touch political or semi political topics with a 10 foot pole here in the podcast is because I know that’s not why people are here, people are not here to hear about our opinions and in a political nature because you probably get that somewhere else right? We’re here to talk about fitness and, and, you know, being better humans. And so it’s we’re not necessarily going down the political road. But this just this, the reason I love this book, is because it I feel like it really fits in line with the idea of killing comfort. And the really the lack of comfort that’s being killed that could possibly, you know, ruin this generation they’re talking about, and I don’t want to be all doom and gloom, because I think I think things normally work themselves out. But overall, it talks about what’s happening on college campuses between both the left and the right meaning, you know, Democrat versus Republican, and how this hyper you know, a big word they use are the book is safety ism, how you trying to be safe, you know, has just gotten a little bit out of control to the fact to the point where on college campuses, they’re removing guest speakers or like protesting a guest speaker because this person might challenge their idea. college professors are having to put trigger warnings in their syllabus now, to let them know that they might encounter some material that could trigger them. And students are actually viewing discourse as as physical and emotional mental harm. These days. It’s not like you know, if, if you believe in God and you go have a conversation with an atheist, that should just be an interesting conversation between the two of you, but that’s not how it’s viewed anymore. It’s, you don’t believe what I believe and what you believe is so offensive to me. I’m now emotionally dating imaged is it. That’s kind of the point that they got across in the, in the book. And it’s happening on a very extreme level. So pretty, pretty crazy. And that’s the reason I wanted to bring this book to the attention of the team and talk about in the podcast, because the second half of the book gets out of this whole, like, what’s happening on college campuses, what’s happening to this generation that is to protect it and into safe. And by the way, it’s not the millennial generation. It’s not the millennial generation. I hate how much because we’re all millennials. And to be honest, Millennials are up to like, what it is like 40 something now right? Like it’s it’s a wide range for millennials, and most people who are millennials won’t even claim that they’re millennials, just because the reputation millennials have gotten. But apparently this generation after millennials, what’s it called
Kyle Shrum
I Gen that what they were saying Gen or Generation Z is the term that, that I’m familiar with.
Jerred Moon
Yeah. And they’re like, it’s like, even worse, if people don’t Millennials are bad. It’s like worse than that. You know, and because most of us growing up, we could we knew life pre iPhone. And and the kids who were hitting college campuses today, never have never lived in a world without social media or an iPhone, you know, and so it has caused a lot of problems. But that’s the second half of the book. And they’re talking about what to do with kids. And like some suggestions, and that was my, my favorite part of the book, as someone who has three kids, who’s very cognizant of what’s going on with them in the world, and me trying to protect them with just the rates we see. And suicide and depression of young teens these days is skyrocketed. And I’m trying to shield my kids from that to a degree, you know, not without trying to be that overprotective parent that could damage them, but at the same time, like, you know, take every action I can to mitigate some of these negative consequences. So that’s the book as a whole, there are a lot of little things that we could get into, but I’d love to hear what you guys think about the book. And whether or not you think our listeners should read it.
Joe Courtney
Oh, 100% they should read it, I’m probably absolutely going to post it on my Facebook on the Facebook feed for people that are a part of a a book club on discord or a book community. And I recommend it on there, as well already. Man, adversity is really dying right now. People just are very, just, they don’t want to be uncomfortable or go through any adversity. And then it’s kind of sprouting a lot of hypocrisy as well. And this is really well, it is you know, a lot of times people that have been wanting and preaching for, you know, freedom of speech and being heard and all that stuff don’t want to hear other people, they unless they conform to what they’re what they’re saying what they want. And if there’s any sort of rebuttal then they just basically plug their fingers in their ears and go La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, kind of thing. That was really interesting to see some of these and it was like, this book, at times were like, is very eye opening. And it was it was frustrating in good and bad ways. Like they were just time for I was just like, Man Without a pause and just shake my head like what the hell is going on kind of things and half of these things I don’t even know about half of these college incidences I really didn’t know about and it was really interesting how because of where some of these colleges were very progressive at one point but then they also have these ridiculous things happening where people are being stifled and you know people are grabbing their pitchforks and all that for if if somebody says something in a abrasive way. Yeah, it’s it’s crazy. Um, and one of the really interesting things is early on and it was I like some of the verses I mean there’s been plenty of the the college examples that he gives his real life situations but they were the other ones that were cool like the peanut experiment you guys remember that? No? Yeah. Did that was really quiet never heard about that for so everybody knows that the peanut allergy has been a thing for a couple of decades and we get into nutrition on other parts and whatnot but they did an experiment to where all these schools were were outline clearly outline any sort of nuts and not doesn’t matter if any kid had any nut allergy so they did an experiment of like two different groups of kids to where some of them the parents actually exposed them to a little bit of nuts and the other group they completely stayed away from nuts absolutely nothing with nuts and then like checked in with him a year two years couple years later and the group that was a very against and away from nuts kept away from nuts, develop nut allergies. I thought that was a really cool that’s like a biological proof of like being going away from any sort of adversity or risk and just you know, sheltering people how can how can how can affect so if that if it’s happening like biologically then mentally, it’s it’s even, big, big time. So that was a really, really interesting thing and Another term that I’m not sure if it was called in the book but I was reading some other stuff afterwards about it, how it used to be helicopter parenting, but now it’s bulldozer parenting, where they just paving the way to get everything out of the way of anything any obstacles out of the way from their for their kids. And then there was no I didn’t write down but it was preparing the kids for you should prepare the kids for the road, not the road for the kids or one of those things. That was cool, but I know you guys are gonna get one of the kids stuff. So those are some big diversity stuff is crazy. And I just haven’t even social media stories from from like me personally that I’ve seen it encountered. Twitter’s like the debate of all is the worst place of all the dumpster fire. Yeah, basically. And I really only go on there for football stuff. But sometimes I just because no matter what, you follow some people but they still if they like or share some other stuff. It’s like, well, I’m going to see and then I’m going to read all these things. There was a an insult for related. There was somebody in the football, football analyst communities, one person did something really, really bad. It was pretty bad. But I knew nothing about what the heck was going on. I just saw like the aftermath, the video and I was like, Okay, well, what happened before this, like, all I asked, literally, I just asked on a thread, like, what’s the context of this? And everybody’s like, doesn’t matter what the context is. If you need to know the context, then it then that means you agree with it, blah, blah. And you should, you should really question what you’re what you’re saying. I was like, I’m just asking what the hell’s the context was like, I just need to know what the hell is going on? And yeah, I probably agree. And I ended up disagreeing with what everybody was saying. But literally, I couldn’t even ask a question of what a context of a video that would happen, like, hey, how did this start? What happened before here? Oh, it doesn’t matter. You should need to know how it started that what he said was unforgivable? Well, context always matters. So that was just one example. And I’m literally literally today, when I was on on Twitter, there was and this might may even make it rounds afterwards. I guess recently, so probably would shut down because of COVID and stuff. And then there’s all these mesh protocols and whatnot. So I guess Mission Impossible seven, which I don’t know why they need to seventh one, but is apparently filming right now. And they are like the the example studio and like Tom Cruise is like, really been pushing to go through it. And like, I don’t know what much of what’s going on. But there is a recording of I guess there was crew members that broke COVID protocols. And if if you break protocols, they might get shut down? Well, there’s a recording of him just going off and yelling at everybody that like, how they’re messing up how they need to, to stay within the guidelines, how if they don’t, they’re going to get fired, and all this than the other. And like, everybody in the comments was like, you know, I agree with what he’s saying. But does he have to yell at them? Are you kidding me? adults can be yelled at, like every single person was like, I don’t think they should be yelling at his own employees. Well, if you’re gonna get a major production or something shut down, you deserve to be yelled at. And I just think that if adults can’t be yelled at then what the heck message is that they’re spreading their kids that? Oh, no, we shouldn’t yell at people when they do some bad stuff. But yeah, so Allah, you’re saying the world’s getting too soft? I got you. I’ll simmer down now. Because
Kyle Shrum
honestly, I think they should make Mission Impossible movies until Tom Cruise dies. If he ever does. He will die. That’s Yeah, that’s, I’m waiting on him to go to space needs to needs to go to space.
Joe Courtney
I think. Have you seen altered carbon? No. The show? Okay. Well, I think he has has different use, do you just pull the memory out and put it inside of another? I got another beam.
Kyle Shrum
I gotcha. So with all of this stuff, everything that Joe said, I agree with everything he said. And going back to Jared, something that you were talking about, about protecting kids and things like that. It’s interesting in the book that it sent, because it’s exactly what you said, because you said you’re trying to protect your kids from depression and suicide. Right. And having worked in youth ministry for a long time, like those are things that I’m acutely aware of right. And what’s interesting to me, is that the things that that and you said it without even thinking about it, but that’s what you’re thinking about as a parent, like those are the things that you’re thinking about protecting and it’s like, that’s what we those are the problems that we are trying to should be trying to protect our kids from today, instead of not instead of but it seems like depression and suicide are much bigger issues today than like, child abductions. You know what I mean? They even talk about child abductions in the book and how like 99.8% of missing children in this country. Come back home. Like in in the reasons that they were lost in the first place are typically not nearly as nefarious as we’re always led to believe that they are right like I think it’s like a fraction of 1% of kids are ducted by strangers, right? Like the world today, at least in America, the world today, despite what the media would have you to believe or what you may believe, based on seeing what you’ve seen, the current situation, the United States of America is a much safer country today than it was in the 70s. And you think about like, in the 70s, like, in my parents, like they talked about when they were growing up, they would walk places, they would ride their bikes, places all by themselves, they would, you know, there, they would get left in the car when they went to the grocery store, you know, things like that. And it’s like, they didn’t wear bike helmets, they didn’t wear seatbelts, and they cover this stuff in the book too. But it’s like, the things that we are trying to protect our kids from, like things like that are now being replaced by things that are much more serious and things like, because because the things like that, like the bike helmets, and the child abduction, or, or whatever, all those super dangerous things are not as much of a factor anymore. But we still have kids who are in really, really big danger, but the danger that they’re in is more mental now. And it comes from, like, within depression and suicide are are the biggest things that we’re fighting today. But the problem is, in, in trying to protect our kids from the things that are outside, forcing them to stay inside is actually increasing their likelihood of developing depression and attempting suicide, you know what I mean? And so it’s strange that the things that we’re trying to protect them from, okay, we’ve achieved a high level of security with these things outside that, that we’re protecting our kids from. But the things that are happening inside are even worse, in my opinion. I mean, I can’t imagine something worse than my child committing suicide, like, I can’t imagine that. And so they talk about a lot of that. And that’s what stuck out to me more like the the first half of the book talking about these mindsets, and these three own truths that they cover. And in finding that internal locus of control, and those kinds of things of being in control of how you respond to things, those are things that I was already really familiar with. And I really like how they covered them and how they went in depth on him. But what really stuck out to me was like the second half of the book, where they’re talking about this parenting thing, and like the, the, the crazy things that we’re seeing happening on college campuses today, with these college students, these, these kids did not go to college, and all of a sudden start doing these things, you know, start reacting in crazy ways and causing tons of property damage, and, you know, needing safe spaces away from words, you know what I mean, like that. They were prepared for that, as they were raised, you know, and I think to me, that’s the hardest part is like, I’m responsible for my kids moving forward with this and how I raised them as a parent. And so they were conditioned to enter this world of college. And they’re responding by pitching a fit, because it’s a pretty big fit, but they’re pitching a fit because they’ve been sheltered. They haven’t had to face any adversity, and they’ve been protected from anything that might harm them or anything that might challenge them. And so, I think I thought that was a more the most compelling part of the book was the second half where it’s talking about all of this came before they got to college. You know what I mean? And again, that goes back to my youth ministry days, as well of seeing this in teenagers and having worked with a bunch of them and saying, you know, but these three untruths that they talked about the untruth of fragility that What doesn’t kill you makes you weaker, the untruth of emotional reasoning to always trust your feelings. And the untruth of us versus them, that life is a battle between good people and evil people. It’s like, those are things that I saw as a youth minister, you know what I mean, but it doesn’t come to the kids. And then the kids go into college and causing all these problems. They were prompt for this because of the way they were raised. And that that just put me on alert of, hey, make sure that you are are teaching your kids these things and teaching your kids for me personally, I need to teach my kids that these are not things that we need to be thinking about. these are these are untruths, these are things that are not true about you, like you are not fragile, like it’s okay for you to experience things that are that are experienced adversity, things that challenge you things that make you grow, it’s okay. And just because somebody disagrees with you, they’re not your enemy. You know what I mean? They don’t hate you, because they disagree with you, because I’m gonna disagree with my kids. You know what I mean? And so if I teach them that anybody that disagrees with them is their enemy, that makes me their enemy, because I’m gonna disagree with them at times. And I’m gonna try to steer them in a different direction. I’m not always going to approve of everything that they do. So anyway, I’ve been lucky. I’ve been on a long rant here, so I’m sorry.
Jerred Moon
There’s, it is it is a really good book and I think everyone will get something out of it. And to your point, you know what they’re pointing Finger app for this increased depression and suicide is really device usage. They they had some studies about number of hours spent on device and, and I put this same exact information in killing comfort as like more of a thought experiment. Like we don’t know if it’s the device itself with the dopamine hits or social media or whatever, specifically, we just know it’s something. And so we can hide behind the Hey, we don’t know if it’s correlation or causation, I don’t care, I’m going to use my phone less. And I’m not going to give my kids a smartphone for maybe ever, you know what I mean? Like, it’s just not going to happen. And so these are the things that we have to start looking at without hamstringing our children. And these are the things I think everyone needs to start thinking about a little bit more, because it’s all about perspective, right? Like 2020, a lot of people are saying it’s the hardest year ever, or whatever. One in the grand scheme of pandemics, this was an easy one. Okay, like, and this if I’m getting political now, even though pandemics should not be political, this, this one was a good one to start with. Because we could have been one that’s much worse that kills 50% of the people that touches in, you know, Black Plague style, like just awful, real, real bad stuff. So in the grand scheme of pandemics, there might be some later this was a good, good warm up, if you will. And we still have Amazon and all these other things like, I know some people may have lost their jobs, and some people may have lost family members. I’m not saying those things are not hard challenges to go through. But I’m just saying in the grand scheme of things, my perspective is always how much worse could things be, and the fact that you live in the United States of America, and you’re not being hunted and killed because of some sort of belief, you know, there’s not a militia who’s trying to take over your local part of the city, those types of things are our my perspective. And I do think a lot of that has to, had to do with me being in the military, in knowing about all these things that are going around in other parts of the world and being like, wow, like, I’m just glad that I’m, that’s not a problem I have or have to worry about. You know, and because we, it’s, it’s hard to be uncomfortable in today’s world, because of our iPhones because of Amazon. Because of all these things, it’s easy, it’s very easy to be coddled in today’s world, because they forget what that saying is like your your life today is like that of a king, you know, in the 1600s, or whatever, people will bring you food at the click of a button, you know, and like all these like that your lifestyle. So it’s hard to not coddle yourself or your kids just with how easy everything is in, in today’s world. So you have to go intentionally seek out those challenges, those risks, those hard things, that’s what my entire book is about. But then how do you also do that for your children and other people? Because this is the I mean, the big part of everything that we’re going through is this division, right? Like, when I was younger, I didn’t think it was a big deal if someone is a Republican or Democrat. And this is slightly political, just because the book does cover this stuff. Because I just thought it was like, you know, your, your whatever you have, you believe some certain things that your party affiliation. It wasn’t until more recently, and this just could be my perspective that it became like, I hate you, because you’re that thing, and I’m this thing. And I never I never viewed it that way. Growing up, it was always like, these people were that these people were this. And that’s, that’s that, like, it wasn’t like a big deal. You know, like, you could still be friends and vote differently. And that’s, it’s not at that point anymore. It’s so the country is so divided. And we’re coming up with this, this level of hatred. And my biggest fear is the division, not whether who’s right or who’s wrong, like if you’re a Democrat, and you’re like, celebrating because Biden won, or say Trump had one and you’re Republican, and you’re celebrating that that Trump one. Nobody won. Like the country is almost split in half, and they hate each other. Everyone’s lost it because if you think things like a civil war can’t happen, or complete economic collapse and meltdown, you think for some reason people think those things can’t happen. That’s all that’s ever happened in history ever. Like, no, no one just keeps going forever. And everything’s awesome. Like, companies implode or companies, countries implode, and these things happen, things get get bad. And so it’s very possible for us to go down that that path unless we figure something out. Now, I am an optimist overall, when it comes to human beings, because I don’t think the world is that divided in a day to day when elections aren’t going on world, you know, to me, so I think that people are a little bit kinder, and it’s not as big of a deal. But I think it gets really magnified on these college campuses and then after college campuses, You know where those people go next. And that’s into the workforce and shape all this stuff. So I think that you should really read it. If you want a lot of good stuff, tips for kids, my basic tips were heavily limit screen time, which I already do. Let them take risks and let them explore. I know my kids spend about 90% of their time. Outside here and not watching TV not playing on a phone, not on an iPad. And that’s a big reason where why we moved where we moved, that was a decision, because we were living in that super close house to house suburban lifestyle for since 2018. And we just did an inner city move because my kids like there’s nothing to do, like we had a postage stamp for front yard, and they just didn’t know what to do. I’m like, Alright, fine, we’ll move you go, you’ll live outside. And you know why we’ve made those big decisions basically, for our kids. And not everyone’s in that position, I get it. But these are things that we have to think about now. And I feel like every generation is handed some sort of shit. Sorry, for the the expletive there that they didn’t expect. And I also put this in my book, like, we are very aware, like Joe has kids in the future. Kyle has kids now I have young kids. Now we’re very aware of what the hell we’re doing with our phones and screen time and like trying to. But there’s something else we don’t even know about right now that’s probably being injected that we don’t realize. And you know, I put in the book back in the day it was smoking. No one thought smoking was a big deal. Great. an entire generation gets lung cancer, secondhand, secondhand smoke kills most people because we thought it was innocuous. But it wasn’t it was a big deal. And this this is what happened to IGN, IGN parents, which some are probably listening to this, you probably didn’t think it was a big deal. I got my first phone when I was in the seventh grade. Like my parents didn’t think anything of it. It wasn’t a smartphone. But I got my first phone when I was in seventh grade. So they could call me and all this other stuff. And other kids, it mainly had to do like sports and whatnot. You know, that’s they that was their justification. But all my phone could do was that thing was calling text. And so I see why parents now might be giving their kids a phone in the fifth grade, fourth grade, sixth grade. But they’re not giving them some phone that can’t do anything. They’re giving them a phone that gives them access to the world in possibly a negative way all their friends are doing it. So they have to do it too. So but you didn’t think that was going to be an issue. You know, you know, like, I don’t blame any parent for that you take me take them back 15 years, they had no idea that was going to be an issue. And now it’s a huge frickin issue. And every generation gets thrown something like this. And I think this is just one thing that we got to look out for and who knows what’s next.
Joe Courtney
Remember this you remember the good old days when your parents just didn’t want to see you until dinnertime? Yeah, that was the thing
Kyle Shrum
to do. I had doors locked on me. It was I was locked out doors was not permitted inside. We’ve done that five? Yeah, I had that I get that had to prove that there was a serious injury. And by serious I mean, like broken, something bleeding. And I mean bleeding like profusely or Nope, deal with it.
Joe Courtney
Put the band aid under the dump the door slid.
Jerred Moon
Well, it was we moved here. And then we have some friends that live relatively close, like a half mile away. And I remember my kids rode their bike, that they’re gonna ride their bike down there. And I was like, I’m such a control freak. I was like, I really want to know that they’re that they got there. It’s only a half mile away. There’s no other way to access my neighborhood. There’s no, there’s one entry and one exit. There’s so like, there’s not like bad people could come out of the woods. You know, it’s not like it’s a very, very safe place. But that control freak inside of me was like, I have to know I did. I didn’t act on it. But it’s in me, right? It’s in me that I wanted to do that thing. I was just like, Okay, I’m sure there are fine. Maybe I’m a bad parent for that. But ultimately, I just I couldn’t. I’m not driving my kids a half mile. You know what I mean? Like you walk or ride your bike and figure it out. But anyway, I see why it’s there. Like it’s in me, it was built in me somehow to have this ridiculous level of control. But got back off somehow.
Kyle Shrum
I’m there as well, man. I mean, I love my kids. You know, I don’t. And when I when I say let them, let them have experiences. When I say let them fail when I say let them experience, you know, things that are negative in their life. I’m not saying that I’m gonna stand idly by and watch my child jump off a cliff. You know what I mean? Like we’re out hiking or something like they’re not getting anywhere close to the edge of that cliff. You know what I mean? Because like that’s, that’s not a lesson they need to learn. You know what I mean?
Jerred Moon
the wrong kind of discomfort. Yeah,
Kyle Shrum
they don’t. They don’t need to learn what happens when you jump off a cliff and you hit bottom, you know, two or 300 feet later. You know what I mean? They don’t need a lot In that lesson, but there, there are other things that are not as extreme as that, that kids do need to learn, they need to learn how to interact with each other. They need to learn, like kids take toys away from each other. You know, when kids are playing with each other, they push each other, they knock each other down, you know, they get injured, like, but that’s part of life. And those things, though, they need to learn some autonomy, you know what I mean? And so we can’t, we just, we can’t, I can’t just keep sheltering them all those things. I will say you were talking about correlations. And they talk about correlations in the book. And they talk about this, like, We’re not saying that this is what’s causing it, because he talks about like, the phones and social like, I don’t know that we can say that. That is what’s causing it, this rise in suicide and depression, but like there are things that are that correlate to those. So two things they highlight that correlate with higher depression and suicide, are electronic devices and watching TV. We’re not saying those two things cause those things, but they correlate with rising with higher rates of depression and suicide. And five things they talk about that correlate with lower depression and suicide are sports and exercise, attending religious services, reading books, and print media, having in person interactions, and doing homework, it’s like, those five things that again, those things aren’t causing lower rates of depression and suicide, but they correlate to those things. And it’s like, let’s, let’s, let’s talk about that. Let’s think about that. Let’s, you know, I
Jerred Moon
mean, just do a, you could do a self experiment, like I don’t need, you know, this correlation versus causation. Because I’m not a scientist, right? Like, I can do whatever the hell I want. And n equals one, I always say is the most important if you’re actually doing the experiment. So I’m good with no with no screen time for my kids. And because I even put this in my book, if I’m wrong, if it’s like, Ha, you know, it wasn’t social media or phones. I’m like, okay, you know, we did, we went on hikes, we lift up some kettlebells we went running we were reading books, I’m not gonna have any regrets. Yeah, like oh damn man wish they would have been on this phone six hours a day. Like that’s never gonna happen. But if you want to do a good any n equals one if you’re wondering how mental health is correlated to your phone use, try and force yourself to spend five to six hours a day on your phone, primarily social media. Just do it for a week. See I feel after. Yep. And if that’s if that’s a big eye opener for you, then maybe think about it but let’s move on to the workout. Obviously, we love this book. We I don’t think we’ve had this long of a discussion on a book or covered it in such detail. But it got us all going in one way or another a lot of great content. So read it the coddling of the American mind to it’s a great one. Joe you got to work out.
Joe Courtney
Yes do so this is a classic one and one of the harder ones as well. One of the hardest ones to achieve. And we haven’t done this so if you’ve been in the program, we have done this since August 1 so it’s been a while. So we are doing conditioning me to the grave as you said earlier, and how this is going to work. I’m going to run through the machines official version and I will do the sub version and you can mix and match as you go. So starts off with 100 calories on the rower 100 calories on the airdyne and 100 double unders then one run one mile and 75 calro 75 Cal airdyne 75, double unders run a mile 50 Cal row 50 calorie diet 50 double unders run a mile 2525 25 and then you’re done. So there’s three miles of running in between the 175 5025 of those three things. Then without machines now if you only have a rower but no aerodyne or vice versa or whatever. These are the subs and that is Sumo deadlifts and box step ups. So reps would be the same. So that means if you say you have a airdyne, but not a row, you’re gonna do Sumo deadlifts, and then you’re erudite and then double unders and vice versa, you know, box step ups, that’s total reps, not each leg. And still 100 double unders. And still the running one mile, and that is the workout with a facially 60 minute time cap, if you really wanted to push yourself and get under that there is a time cap a lot of people like to once they get to a certain point, they just want to finish but there is a time cap for 60 minutes.
Jerred Moon
Yeah, I would stick to that time cap to Yeah, that’s because it’s almost like the zone two workout where if you hold your heart rate in zone two, and you do a 50 minute workout every time like we do during our D load and it’s cool to see hey, I went 400 meters further or a mile further or you know, that’s really cool progress to see and that’s the same with conditioning to the grave because when I first started doing it years ago, I couldn’t finish it. And now I can finish it. That’s cool progress to see but I just benchmarked how far I got like okay, I finished the 75 or 50 The 25 like wherever you got benchmark that and cap yourself hard at that 60 minutes because that is a long workout. That’s a lot of aerobic work, I really don’t think you need to go beyond that. But if you just keep following our training and stay consistent, you will see that you finish more and more of that workout every time we program it, especially when it’s like whatever six months in between programming at four months, I don’t know where we’re at. But yeah, my overall tip is stay hard on the cap and then pace, pace everything to a pace level that you know you can handle. I do always mention the pace card we have the picture of that in the Facebook group. And I normally repost it once this workout comes up the pace card is for finishing it. And if you don’t think you’re going to finish it, make your own pace card for your your expectations. So that would be my thing is like make a pace card. Because the first time I ever actually finished it was when I had a pace card because I knew like you can kind of get in your head with this workout because it’s so front loaded with work. You’re like I’ll never finish this. Like that’s it I’ll never finish this workout but it’s so front loaded with so much work. You know it gets significantly less and less each round you go so make a pace card for yourself or use the one that we have and that’s all I got on tips for that one.
Joe Courtney
Only go over the some of the scaling ones for like the step ups. Don’t put a Don’t be a really high step up on that do like a normal what you would do on a step up so probably 20 inches for most people. So you’re not reaching up too high. You’re not pushing off with your bottom leg kind of thing. And I mean double unders or double unders. So double those four singles, and Sumo deadlifts it says just a sumo deadlifts this is meant to be done with a kettlebell, not a barbell. So kind of awesome with deadlifts. They’re not very heavy, so they’ll go really quick as well.
Kyle Shrum
So I’m going to take over I’m going to stand in for Ashley and do the wine pairing. I can’t I can’t swallow wine glass like she does. She doesn’t even in the
Joe Courtney
experience, you know.
Kyle Shrum
I wasn’t saying Joe said it. Joe said it not me. I actually asked her what she would suggest for this one and she went with she went to some metal she said Godsmack pin Tara some corn or System of a Down because this one it’s a lot of work in and so get something that’s that’s got a fast beat in something that’s kind of heavy as well. To put you in the right mindset I would also throw in personally, since we’re going metal for this one, a metal one. I don’t know how that would work. Anyway, since we’re going metal for this one, I would throw it back. I kind of like the older stuff. And so I would go with either some Black Sabbath, maybe some Motorhead or some Iron Maiden. There you go. So there’s your wine pairing for this workout.
Joe Courtney
Oh, I thought of a new I told you guys before the podcast a new philosophy on beats parent on music parent that is the more beats heart rate, the more Beats Music. So higher the beats higher the beats. There you go. That’s just science
Jerred Moon
at Spotify have that like a beats per minute playlist you can pick
Joe Courtney
there, man, I haven’t done that. I know there’s a Spotify can link to it. There’s a lot of these wearables now, to where when you’re running, they will find music to match your cadence, which is ridiculous. I’ve never, I don’t know how to do like, a lot of times, I just want to listen to what I want to listen to. Yeah,
Jerred Moon
that’s the camp I’m in. So I’ve never played that stuff, either.
Joe Courtney
Yeah, technology is the one thing that can really kill my workout like absolutely completely. And if something gets messed up while messing with this stuff, I’m just throwing the towel. Even if I’m like, two miles away, and I have to run home. I’m just throwing in the towel, turn around and walk and just pound all the way home. That’s just what technology does.
Jerred Moon
I was I was interviewed on a is basically an endurance podcast. So they’re both triathletes. And they’re interviewing me about the book killing comfort. And I mentioned just because I knew their audience and knew them. And I mentioned like, the hardest challenge most endurance athletes faced on any given day is like, their Bluetooth not connecting, you know, and they just died laughing because of how true that statement is like, yeah, that’s probably the hardest thing that we go through is like, my heart rate monitors not connecting to my watch, and I cannot even stand it. You know, that’s, that’s the challenges we face today. But
Joe Courtney
it’s like, I’m proud to be an endurance athlete. Right?
Jerred Moon
What happens to me too, like, I’ll get Yeah, I have to like re, like, recalibrate if I’m like, okay, AirPods don’t wanna connect to my Garmin. I’ll spend it’s the time if I’ve spent like 10 minutes on it and I’m like, No, I should already be training like this is getting front that’s what starts to get frustrating and then I’m just like, abandon it
Kyle Shrum
was like my playlists like my airpots. Like, if there’s there’s workouts where like, there’s the like the barbell work, but then we’ll have like running or something like that, like for this one, like, you know, it’s pretty It’s the same, but I don’t know, I’ll probably change it up when I’m running. So like when I go out to run, like, I might like, hit my airpot and go to a different song, you know what I mean? Or something like that and pair that with the running, but like, I don’t know. I can’t imagine having something that just does that for me like,
Yeah, what if you don’t
Kyle Shrum
like the music? It just thinks about it. And it’s like, oh, you’re running now I’m gonna change the song for you. I don’t know that. I think that would freak me out a little bit.
Joe Courtney
It’s like, I don’t care if Lady Gaga goes with my, my running beats. I don’t want to listen to this.
Jerred Moon
Yeah, because if you actually look at this is way too in the weeds when we need to get out of here. But like if your stride if you’re running fast, like a fast mile, or like, whatever, and you’re at like 170 steps per minute or whatever, you know, like, that’s a fast song. You know? And like, what are you going to be playing me? Like, what if I get to one eight or what? Yeah, what are we? What are we doing now? So that would be hard. But that’s it guys a little bit longer podcast, but great book, great conversation. I really enjoyed it today. Hopefully you guys go pick that up and, and read the book. Again, no affiliation with any of these authors or their books. We just pick them here and there when we come across them. So if you guys do have any recommendations, let us know in the Facebook group. But it is a new cycle. I’ll reiterate that go to garage gym. athlete.com sign up for your free trial start the year off right let’s crush 2021 because I think everyone now in the world is a garage gym athlete of some sort. Whether you think you are smart. Yeah, you figured out how to work at home over the last year. So now you can put those skills to use with our programming and see a lot of results. So that’s it for this one guys. Thanks for listening or watching if you’re on the YouTube